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Ingo Lütkebohle
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du wurdest ungültig schweinegeschnetzelt? mein beileid! :)
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Finally a clear path robot that doesn't need its own garage ;-)
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Ganz interessanter Blick, nicht nur auf den Anteil von Frauen im High-Tech Bereich, sondern auch auf MIT-Professoren. Bathia hat nach 5 Jahren als Professorin die erste Firma gegründet, und seitdem (etwas mehr als 10 Jahre, wenn ich das richtig rekonstruiere) noch 9 weitere...
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This year’s Lemelson-MIT Prize winner discusses grassroots ways for boosting the number of women in technology and business.
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'Hamburger' menus have some usability problems in mobile designs and many problems on desktop. A bold new design solves these flaws.
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Soll ja öfter mal vorkommen...
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Mensch: 1 - Computer: 0.

(via @Ruhrgebiethalde)#Bahn #Computer
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Interesting, and worrying, post. I have no proof for most of what he says, but I guess nobody that well known would go overboard that much, without at least a little bit of substance.

This only reinforces recent reports about the abuse many women in technical communities, such as gaming, get. I am utterly flabbergasted that people do such things, and not just a few but many. I mean, probably everybody has said something bad, intentionally or sometimes unintentionally. But hate mail of that calibre (hiring a hitman!), that's really totally something else. I completely fail to understand what brings people to do that. I say that as someone who hasn't always been happy about some things Lennart did, such as pulseaudio, but there is absolutely no excuse for such things.
 
Much of the Open Source community tries to advertise the community as one happy place to the outside. Where contributions are valued only by their technical quality, and everybody meets at conferences for beers.

Well, it is not like that. It's quite a sick place to be in.

I don't usually talk about this too much, and hence I figure that people are really not aware of this, but yes, the Open Source community is full of assholes, and I probably more than most others am one of their most favourite targets. I get hate mail for hacking on Open Source. People have started multiple "petitions" on petition web sites, asking me to stop working (google for it). Recently, people started collecting Bitcoins to hire a hitman for me (this really happened!). Just the other day, some idiot posted a "song" on youtube, a creepy work, filled with expletives about me and suggestions of violence. People post websites about boycotting my projects, containing pretty personal attacks. On IRC, people /msg me sometimes, with nasty messages, and references to artwork in 4chan style. And there's more. A lot more.

I am used to rough discussions on mailing lists, and yes, when I was younger I did not always stay technical in flamewars, but nowadays I am pretty good at that, I am sometimes articulate, but never personal. I have a thick skin (and so do most of the others involved in systemd, apparently), and I figure that plays a major role why we managed to bring systemd to success, despite all the pressure in the opposite direction. But from time to time, I just have to stand back and say "Wow, what an awful community Linux has!".

The Internet is full of deranged people, no doubt, so one might just discount all of this on the grounds that the Open Source community isn't any different than any other community on the Internet or even offline. But I don't think so. I am pretty sure there are certain things that foster bad behaviour. On one hand there are certain communities where it appears to be a lot more accepted to vent hate, communities that attract a certain kind of people (Hey, Gentoo!) more than others do. (Yes, the folks who post the stuff they do usually pretty clearly state from wich community they come).

But more importantly, I'd actually put some blame on a certain circle of folks that play a major role in kernel development, and first and foremost Linus Torvalds himself. By many he is a considered a role model, but he is quite a bad one. If he posts words like "[specific folks] ...should be retroactively aborted. Who the f*ck does idiotic things like that? How did they not die as babies, considering that they were likely too stupid to find a tit to suck on?" (google for it), than that's certainly bad. But what I find particularly appalling is the fact that he regularly defends this, and advertises this as an efficient way to run a community. (But it is not just Linus, it's a certain group of people around him who use the exact same style, some of which semi-publically even phantasize about the best ways to, ... well, kill me).

But no, it's not an efficient way to run a community. If Linux had success, then that certainly happened despite, not because of this behaviour. I am pretty sure the damage being done by this is quite obvious, it not only sours the tone in the Linux community, it is also teaches new contributors to adopt the same style, but that only if it doesn't scare them away in the first place.

In other words: A fish rots from the head down.

I don't mind using strong language, I don't mind the use of words such as "fuck", I use the word all the time too, it's really not about that. I must simply say that I wished it would stay at that, because what actually is happening is so much worse, and and so much more hateful.

If you are a newcomer to Linux, either grow a really thick skin. Or run away, it's not a friendly place to be in. It is sad that it is that way, but it certainly is.

The Linux community is dominated by western, white, straight, males in their 30s and 40s these days. I perfectly fit in that pattern, and the rubbish they pour over me is awful. I can only imagine that it is much worse for members of minorities, or people from different cultural backgrounds, in particular ones where losing face is a major issue.

You know, I can deal with all this shit, and I guess in a way with the energy we are pushing the changes we propose with we are calling for opposition, so this post is really not intended to be a call for sympathy. The main point I want to make with this is to correct a few things about our communities, and how their are percieved. Open Source isn't a kindergarten. Open Source is awful in many ways, and people should be aware of this.

Not everybody in the Linux community is like this, the vast majority isn't. Not even all our different communities really have a problem with this at all. But many do, and the most prominent one, the Linux community as a whole certainly has.

I am not the one to fix any of this, I cannot tell you how one could do it. And quite frankly, I really don't want to be involved in fixing this. I am a technical guy, I want to do technical things.

My personal conclusion out of all this is mostly just that I don't want to have much to do with the worst offenders, and the communities they run. My involvement with the kernel community ended pretty much before it even started, I never post on LKML, and haven't done in years.  Also, in our own project we are policying posts. We regularly put a few folks on moderation on the mailing list, and we will continue to do so. Currently, the systemd community is fantastic, and I really hope we can keep it that way.

And that's all about this topic from me. I have no intentions to ever talk about this again on a public forum.
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Shockingly, the nerds are usually the ones who are bullied. They should know better...
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Ein Bild ist eben doch oft mehr wert als 1000 Worte ;-) (Quelle: OpenDataCity, http://apps.opendatacity.de/nebeneinkuenfte-verteilung/)
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Ich find ja die Anzahl der Nebentätigkeiten fast krasser ...Nebenbei noch 37 Sachen machen? Mit fällt nur eine Leistung ein, die wenig Zeit braucht und sich gut mit dem Bundestag verbinden lässt.
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  • Bielefeld University
  • University of Surrey, Guildford
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Ingress Nick: Netdancer (L8, Retired)
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searching for the science of software engineering for robots
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crossed the alps on foot
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Postdoctoral Researcher
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  • Bosch
    Research Engineer, 2014 - present
    Software Architect for Service Robots.
  • Machine Learning And Robotics Lab, IPVS, Universität Stuttgart
    Postdoctoral Associate, 2013 - 2014
    Software engineering research for autonomously learning robots
  • Bielefeld University
    Postdoctoral Researcher in Robotics, 2010 - 2013
  • Bielefeld University
    PhD Student, 2005 - 2010
  • dev/consulting GmbH
    1996 - 1999
  • POET GmbH
    1996 - 1996
  • virtual identity GmbH
    1996 - 1996
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Großartiger Fisch, guter Wein und wunderbare Desserts. Bedienung ebenfalls sehr zuvorkommend.
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Etwas unpersönlich, aber praktisch am Wanderweg E5 gelegen.
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Wir waren dort während einer E5-Wanderung Anfang Juli
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Die top Bewertung muss man relativ zum Preis sehen - in der Lage gibt es in Bozen nichts Günstigeres. Dafür war es wirklich super, aber es ist natürlich kein Luxushotel...
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Wir waren Anfang Juli vor Ort.
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