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We're not even 5 hours in and the Humble THQ Bundle has already hit $1 million in sales and over 181k in bundles sold! We can't thank you all enough for your unbeatable support for charity and games!
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Darksiders is awesome so no wonder that it sales like insane.
Steam = DRM
Steam =  You don't own the games, you instead “rent” a license to play them.

Will not buy the humble bundle this time. 
Pffft.. I can only LOL at the angry fanatics if this becomes the most successful bundle.

I am also surprised that Facebook has way fewer angry hateful people than here. I thought G+ harbored the more educated bunch.
"Steam = DRM
Steam =  You don't own the games, you instead “rent” a license to play them."

So you also abstain from most music, movie and television purchases as well as the VAST MAJORITY of games? As nearly all media purchases in the modern world are licenses and not ownership.

And of course you are running GNU/Linux.... Oh snap your on G+ though, have you read through the TOS to be ensured you still own the content you post via the service? I wouldn't know as such minutiae isn't all that intriguing to me.
+Saleh Jamal humm might be that the most educated bunch realize  the problems with DRM and Steam.
+Patrik Standar fair point but doesn't mean it's ok to be that angry and hateful toward those who are ok with it. (not saying you are one of those).
Raising money for charity and for indie game devs is great. I respect HIB for all they do. How much more could they raise if they did what their mission states and make the games OS-independent? No #linux  = lost money.
+Saleh Jamal Your thoughts were correct. Obviously the people on G+ don't eat everything anyone throws at them.
+Patrik Standar 
Hey, companies don't want their products being stolen. A DRM is a necessary security measure and without them we probably wouldn't have as big of a market for PC games because developers and publishers would be too scared to release games for PC. If you don't feel like you own the games I completely understand but it's a little silly to view it that way.
+Saleh Jamal hateful is never  good. No im not  one of those, but it think that its good to enlighten people of the problems with DRM and not owning products.
LOL, all software sales are essentially 'rentals' unless they give you the source code with your purchase, you don't own it.
+Jeremy Helsel Of course it is always up to the company to put DRM in their products or leave them out. The funny thing about DRM is that it only hurts the customers and not the people it is designed to thwart.
+Jeremy Helsel the companies must realize that each pirated copy is not a loss of money, but each bought copy is a gain. We must change the way companies make money on information. Let people pay what they want and more people than ever will pay.
Vraiment déçu par le nouveau +Humble Bundle !!!

Ça n'a plus rien d'un Humble Bundle!!!

Ils se sont fait connaitre grâce aux geeks militants, en se démarquant grâce à une ligne directrice simple:
- Des jeux originaux, développés par des indépendants, multi plateforme (Win / Linux / Mac), et sans DRM.

Ils profitent maintenant de cette notoriété ainsi acquise pour nous balancer un bundle de merde qui ne vaut rien de plus qu'une simple promo Steam de Noël.

J'ai été là dès le premier bundle et j'ai toujours fait leur pub, je les ai tous (sans exception) achetés à prix correct (toujours plus haut que la moyenne GNU/Linux). J'ai même fait des "cadeau" humble bundle à des amis car j'avais la sensation de faire d'une pierre deux coups (faire plaisir + promouvoir les jeux indés xplateforme sans DRM).

Je regrette à présent d'avoir dépensé mon argent chez eux.
Not purchasing due to DRM, no linux port, and lack of EFF as a charity option.

I can kind of understand no linux port, as these are old AAA titles, but the DRM and no EFF isn't really excusable.
But I just can't get 2 things: 1. Can I download these games independently, without Steam (I can't see any lings on game full packages on the purchase page)? 2. Are there Linux versions included (I can't see the OS selection buttons on the purchase page)? If there is any "no" among the answers then this is VERY disappointing.
I do not understand this paranoia.  Steam does not require any form of monthly service or membership fee, so this license never expires or requires renewal.  So even if I am "renting" this game as you say, I never have to return it and I am free to rent another anytime I wish pay for that one as well...
No I'm not saying being DRM free is a bad thing. I'm saying many developers prefer to work with Steam because it makes their product much harder to steal, which in turn expands the market for PC games. So if there weren't services like Steam there might be fewer PC gamers and as a result the bundles might not have sold as well as they did. That of course is speculation on my part and I have know way of knowing for sure but I do know that Steam helped make PC gaming as big as it is today and people should be a little more thankful for that at the very least.
Thank you for the answer, +Jacob Smock and +Patrik Standar. Not DRM-free, not cross-platform. Then what the heck have I just paid for? I am supporting the Humble Bundle project for publishing DRM-free cross-platform games, (I don't even play usually, just donate and collect).
A very valid point. But many publishers and developers do have this fear of piracy and prefer the safety of Steam and probably wouldn't upload them otherwise. And I also get frustrated as well with the way I need to have internet access in many cases to play a game I own. But for me Steam isn't a big enough turn-off to stop me from buying the games.
Easily the greatest humble bundle so far! Awesome stuff!
I hope this generates tonnes of buys and THQ does well too but sadly I cannot support Windows only.
Can't believe how well this bundle is doing! It's good to see the few idiots posting here are the only ones not supporting it!
Theft, Stealing "In common usage, theft is the taking of another person's property without that person's permission or consent with the intent to deprive the rightful owner of it"
To pirate programs is at best "potentially preventing a company from gaining profit"
+Patrik Standar 
You actually just made me view DRM's in a completely different way. I have no counter argument and no other point to argue in favor of DRMs. You've bested me.
+Jeremy Helsel DRM actually contributes to piracy.  If content providers would provide content in a convenient and affordable way, fewer people would resort to piracy.  And DRM most certainly doesn't do anything to stop piracy.  Any wall that can be built can be tunneled under, climbed over, walked around, or broken through.  There's not a single form of DRM technology that pirates haven't found a way to remove or bypass.  DRM only punishes the users that want to acquire the content legitimately.
+Jeremy Helsel  Witcher 2 was released in the stores with DRM and online at GoG without DRM. Wanna guess what the most pirated copy was?

Effective DRM is theoretically impossible (authorized user and unauthorized user are one and the same. That doesn't work). All you're going to do in the long run is annoy paying customers. I've got games I can no longer play because the DRM isn't compatible with modern OSes. The game itself is, the DRM isn't.
Yeah I guess since I personally haven't had many problems with DRM's I never realized the downsides before. Thank you all for enlightening me. I'm happy to walk away from this conversation less ignorant than when I first commented.
I will take it after traditional throwing of another titles to bundle, hope that will be w40k
It is the most interesting bundle ever, record sales prove it

There are many drm protected and proprietary programs in Linux distributives, from drivers to codecs, so what, you just not using them? you believe that open source is equal free of charge? programmers and gamedevs are also people, they want to eat and be rewarded for their work, so they have full right to protect their software and games

no need to cultivate fanaticism and that hysterical drama linux fanboys, im using Ubuntu a lot for 5 years or even longer, on work and at home, and i'm just happy that Steam is coming on ubuntu soon
+Dave Cridland  I am not for piracy per se, but I belive that the software companies are just hurting them selfs. Drop the hunt of pirates and make people pay what they consider reasonable (Yes a few people will pay 1 dollar but that is still better than 0)
+Юрій Білоусов - I avoid using them. I almost completely avoid anything non-free on Linux. And I most certainly and emphatically do NOT under any circumstances believe that everything should be free of charge.

And charging for things (and making money off them) does not mean you have to have DRM. Previous DRM-free humble bundles were perfect examples. They made a whole bunch of money.

They're making more money this time not because of DRM or lack of Linux support. They are making it because the titles happen to be pretty popular and people smell a great deal. It's unfortunate that so many people are willing to give up their freedom over something shiny, but it's what I would generally expect.
Purchased due to wanting to support THQ. Bam.
+Scott Hill You've lost rights granted in copyright law. Please explain how it is not giving up one's freedom. 
+Rob Myers Copyright law, in the UK at least, does not give you the right to make any number of copies as and when you choose. Or for you to be able to use those copies for as long as you wish. It allows you to make one back up copy for personal use within the terms of license you implicitly agreed to by purchasing the product. All DRM does is enforce those limitations of use. Both the producer and consumer have rights here. DRM is one way to ensure that neither set of rights is violated.
+Eric Hopper good for you!
but i have 1 question, what are you doing here? you dont like drm - you dont buy products with it, simple logic

are the payed games/apps in ubuntu software center not drm? and if we think a minute steam is not so hard drm, you can install steam client on many computers, you can download your purchased or gifted games on that pc's, but you can login and play only on one at once

and about what kind of freedom we are talking here?
At risk of being torn to shreds by all the FOSS guys here, why can't we add a Valve tip? All gamers accept that Valve are cool people, and they are providing all the download bandwidth for this and any other bundle where the user gets Steam keys (which I think many Windows users always do). Since Valve would get their standard cut if they made their own THQ bundle, it almost feels like robbing them to use their service without giving them anything. Maybe it's all good for them just for getting more users on Steam, but I'd certainly like a way to give an extra thank you for supporting all these bundles.
+Scott Hill Try selling it again as well (Right of First Sale in the US)
+Юрій Білоусов - This is not a way that Humble Bundle has behaved in the past. Their past history led me to believe that they had a certain moral and ethical outlook that they are currently not adhering to.

I previously gave them a whole bunch of money because I wanted the games, but also because I supported the moral and ethical outlook I thought they had.

I'm here because of what I (and a whole lot of other people) used to believe they stood for. I'm here to criticize them for failing to uphold some principles that I do not think I was unreasonable to expect that they had.

The fact that so many other people are surprised that they are not holding to a certain set of principles further reinforces the fact that my belief was not unreasonable as it was widely shared.
I don't think it's fair to impose "standards" for a company (Humble Bundle Inc) based on one line of products (Humble Indie Bundle). Just like any company, they're free to sell anything they think will sell. It certainly shouldn't change your feelings on the Indie bundles because it's clearly not an indie bundle. It certainly shares a lot of the core mechanics with other Humble Bundles (Pay what you want, customisable share to charity) but the business models will be different with major publishers. Would it really change anyone's opinions if these commercial bundles were operating as a forked company with essentially the same management and business model? That's basically the alternative if you think commercial bundles are ruining the Humble Bundle company as a whole.
If anyone thinks that they are "renting" games from Steam, which is completely ridiculous, I highly encourage you to search out what you have to do to remove a game from your account. You literally have to threaten them with legal action. Once you "rent" it from Steam, you "rent" it for life for as many times as you want, whenever you want, where ever you want.
Sorry guys. Worst bundle ever. I donated for the last 6 bundles or so and never even played any of the games or downloaded the music. But Windows only? Steam only? Forget it... it's sad that this bundle will be your most successful bundle ever.
+Robert Williams - Really? They helped build that brand with my help. I provided them tons of free advertising and word of mouth because of the principles I thought they upheld. They're making a mockery of my effort.

If, as a company, they want to do this, they can set up a separate Google+ account, a separate web page and not call it a humble bundle.

I would actually have little or no problem with that if that's what they chose to do.

As it is, I feel I have a personal investment in the 'Humble Bundle' name because I've helped promote it to my friends, family and even random passerby who seemed interested in games and Linux or lack of DRM.
I Love G+ ! People argumenting and discussion rather than posting about there breakfast or ... !

So HIB, these time no Money from me, no #linux port not my bundle.

For the Steam discussion, I use Linux for over ten years now and OpenSource is part of my Philosophy not only a way to Publish Software. But in Life there are many way's and i think the Steam way is  a good one.

First, you dodn't need a media or a cardboardpackage. This reduce cost and pollution.

Second, you got your title for every Plattform it runs on. Think back in time where you might purchased multiple copy's of games because you changed the Plattform!

i dodn't know if i can find the right (english) words for the third point, i think linux needs this mix of free and open source and propetary software (for a fair price) to be sucessful in the future. I welcome Steam on linux and Steam supports a lot of indie Games that are also DRM free. Like Desura.
At least you as a customer and your voice on demanding DRM free or Open Source Software will change the market in the future. Don't like DRM or CLosed Source? Don't buy it and make your voice heard!
HIB is a indicator for this.

I think this will be the most succesful HIB ever. if we take the statistic in 14 days i think they will have a big amount of newly customers never buyed a hib before. Also a big bunch of customers normally paying double amount not buying this bundle lacking crossplatform support.
Math says they are double worth it.
+Patrik Standar There is a lot wrong with thinking that 1 sale = 1 profit for a game company. These guys employ hundreds, if not thousands of highly skilled, technical employees that work on games for years at a time in most cases. Putting a game out doesn't equate to pure profit. A hell of a lot of sales go into getting the company out of the hole that they dug developing the game. Do I appreciate devs leaving out DRM? Hell yeah. But having a Steam account isn't asking much at all for DRM. By this time, if you don't have a Steam account, you simply aren't a PC gamer. Just be glad devs have started moving away from Draconian DRM like +Ubisoft is so loathed for.
I, too, am pretty frustrated by the lack of Linux releases. Don't think I'll dive in this time. :(
+Corey Shaughnessy - So, how am I being a petulant child here? Do you have anything to offer other than offensive name calling, or is that all you can do there safe behind your keyboard?
Unfortunately, it is not clear in the Humble page that, UNLIKE previous ones, this HB is DRM infested. Please, make it clear in the website that this is not like previous HBs.
I can only hope this won't happen again in the future, what I expect from Humble Store, is exactly the opposite...
This feels like discovering that your in place was invaded by a bunch of annoying strangers, taking and destroying all your stuff... well, there's only gog left now... #principles  
+Jefferson Ietto Novo How was it unclear? It says right at the top of the page, and several times throughout, that it is Windows-only and Steam-only.

I'm just trying to figure out how it was unclear.
My post is so far from the OP that I apologise in advance.

The argument about DRM is an interesting one, as is illegal downloading of media:

The problem with all the research is that you have to ask "Who paid for it?" If there is no way of ensuring independence, then...

My favourite thing is to look at how backed the research and who they employed to do it and what their history is like? What did they exclude and what sort of language did they use?

The other thing to think of is what restrictions they put on your use of the media. Some people are fine with having their hands tied. They don't care, until it affects them and then they want a friend to 'fix it' - eg. multitude of people wanting to put their iTunes stuff on a device when it's not legally permitted or is software restricted somehow.

The other issue is that in truth, media producing companies will introduce any restrictions they can legally get away with until the 'users' rebel.

All those who complain about the 'complainers' really lack any knowledge of history and how profit-makers will 'do what they want if they can'. All of the currently available 'freedoms' you have were not obtained by cow-towing to media producers and profit-making organisation.  They were obtained by rejecting, refusing and fighting them until they changed their minds.
Picked this up. It was a great deal and I support the charities listed. 

Steam, like iTunes are successful because they made DRM transparent and convenient. The downside is, if ever in the future something happens with Valve, you may loose all your games. I will not be milatent about games as I am abount DRM free music and movies.
+Eric Hopper Humble Bundle started as a way to raise money for Child's Play. Anything else that you put on them was simply inferred. Helping indie devs was awesome, but not the purpose of the Humble Bundle. 

You helped build the brand of Humble Bundle? While your ego is absolutely fascinating, nobody here wants to be your shrink. I'm sure all the devs and Humble Bundle guys are ever so grateful to you, Eric, for saving their lives and their livelihoods, but the random strangers that you found and somehow deduced that they just weren't into DRM were forced into agreeing with you so that you'd go away after you finished your self-fellatio.

They're making a mockery of your effort? Your efforts to attach yourself to something as fan-fucking-tastic as Humble and to pat yourself on the back have surely fed back into your own self-gratification of knowing just how awesome you are, but nobody else gives a shit. The effort that you have put into this is flapping your gums at anybody who accidentally makes eye contact with you. Guess what? The Humble Bundle guys, who do a hell of a lot more than you and kinda run the whole thing, have no issues with it and they might represent an authority on the subject.

Why call you a petulant child? Because that is what you are. Two companies come together to offer great deals on awesome video games while helping charities, and you take mortal offense that they didn't cater to the hipster douchebags and lowest-common-denominators of the internet. You are a whining, self-absorbed troll getting your panties in a twist over the most pathetic of issues.
I plan on actively discouraging everyone I know from buying into this BS. I can't believe HB would sell out so bad. Not an indie developer, not DRM-free, not capable of running on Linux. Kiss my business goodbye.
+Corey Shaughnessy So are you saying that you can sell the game on to someone else?

If you can sell it to another person, then sure you own it. If you cannot, then you don't.

I'm not sure what else other than 'rent' would most accurately describe this in a commercial/retail sense.

I would refer you to:


In both instance it is clear that in practice, you don't 'own' the games and your 'right' to access can be removed. This pretty much places you in the position of a lessee or renter.

To prove otherwise, you'll have to take your chances in court.
Wei Qi
already paid it just for darksiders
Well, on the more practical side, it looks like all the people upset about DRM are missing that this may end up being the most successful bundle ever.  Perhaps it may be an indication that the average customer cares less about the DRM argument, and more about the fact that games may just be overpriced for the average consumer.  

That's not to say DRM is good (I hate it as much as anyone), but taking a stand against this bundle is really missing out on the fact that it's a good value, targeted towards the largest consumer OS install base, and running on perhaps the most trusted/least restrictive DRM system around, through Steam.  

If you don't like it or have philosophical arguments against it, that's perhaps understandable; it just appears that at least a good chunk of the gaming base out there disagrees or doesn't care.
+Patrick Elliott-Brennan If you're down for an intelligent discussion of it, I am also quite down. Having access removed is a shady, weird middle ground. You can lose access to anything. Bought discs and discs get destroyed? Screwed. Buy games from Humble and you lose your link (Old Humble) or they remove your page (New Humble)? Screwed. The concepts of ownership and access get a little meta when it comes to something as simple as 1s and 0s. It's weird to talk about what you believe when it comes to something so technical, but I believe that, through Steam, you own the game without ALL of the rights generally assumed with "owning" something. Like not owning the rights to redistribute the game. They could be like old iTunes and even CyberLink (with my copy of PowerDVD that I just bought) and say you get ONE download.

In your opinion, do you have to be able to sell something in order to own it? Is that the sole defining factor? Aside from that, what disadvantages are there from buying through a service like Steam that can't be argued the same way with traditional disc-based media?
+Patrick Elliott-Brennan It only costs 1 dollar. Do you really have to resell it?
This is just a bundle, on Steam. Not a commitment that all the games will only be available on Steam from now on.
I bought all bundles up to now; the primary reason I'm not getting this bundle is solely because I don't have a windows computer to play them on... :'(
First, I was interested in getting some DRM free copies of Metro 2033 and Company of Heroes (I already have them with DRM but I wouldn't mind paying money again to get a DRM free version) but obviously since this bundle is not offering DRM free games I'm going to stay away from it.

Second, I've heard of the Humble Bundle in the context of their previous Indie releases with DRM free multi-platform games which seemed like something very neat. I'm not sure if we have enough basis to infer that all their releases have to be the same, after all the current release is called the THQ Humble Bundle while the previous ones are Humble Indie Bundle releases. If there's a release using the latter name without being DRM free then, I guess, we can say the company had a change of heart and obviously I personally wouldn't be interested :(

And last, a request, no matter if you agree or not with other people's opinions you have no rights to name call them and become personal in your discourse. The only thing that does is to make you look bad and it doesn't help your arguments. Please keep discussions civilized and on the subject (ie discuss their arguments, don't discuss the person behind them, that's a fairly simple rule to follow). If in doubt, please remember: "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people."
+Adam Robinson A big +1 for you before the responses calling all the purchasers "uninformed", or "sheep".
I usually give all the money to the developers for the bundles (I'm not very charitable) but seeing how this is THQ and their stocks just went up 40% because of this very bundle... I'm giving it all to the humble bundle folks.
Seth L
Let's complain a bit more about being able to play multiple games for a steep discount while supporting some charities and keeping hard working developers employed. What a bunch of self righteous whiners.
Seth L
And how terrible, you can "rent" multiple games for less than a dollar each and have them "rented" forever. You know, I'm sure glad I still "own" that game I paid $50 dollars for DRM free that I'll never play again. /sarcasm
I am one of those suckers who gives money to the Humble Bundle because they support Linux. I don't really play computer games. Skipping this round then.
LOL people are still going on about 'owning' and 'renting'. Do you know what EULA stands for? Go and LOOK IT UP! When you realize you've never owned a piece of software that you didn't write in your life come and delete your idiot posts.
+Matthew Donnelly This is completely and utterly incorrect.  I own my car. I am not at liberty to copy it and then sell it to someone else. However, I can sell it to someone else.

I own some of the games I bought. I'm not at liberty to copy and sell them to someone else. However, I can sell them to someone else.

I own the game and I can sell it. I do not own the 'rights to produce' the game. I don't know anyone on this thread who is saying that.

Game producers are acting to prevent re-sale. Such actions have nothing to do with reducing prices or improving my rights and everything to do with their short-term self-interest.

If you can't see the long-term problems with this sort of restrictive trade and these sorts of EULAs, please take a history lesson and do some reading you'll then find the evidence no-one else has that these sorts of things are good for the consumer.
Seth L
Yes, yes...DRM has been terrible for business and our economy. Apple's iTunes is a great example where DRM has caused people to buy less product and fewer people and artists to be employed. I'm sorry but DRM enables content creators to get PAID, and keeps people WORKING.
+Seth Ludeman DRM is not essential for people to be paid. A products success does not depend upon it. DRM can (maybe) assist in a product's success or detract from it, depending on the situation.
+Corey Shaughnessy 

"If you're down for an intelligent discussion of it, I am also quite down."


Nice to hear that! Thanks for writing back with some good questions.

"Having access removed is a shady, weird middle ground. You can lose access to anything. Bought discs and discs get destroyed? Screwed. Buy games from Humble and you lose your link (Old Humble) or they remove your page (New Humble)? Screwed."

I agree. Very bad.

"The concepts of ownership and access get a little meta when it comes to something as simple as 1s and 0s."

Not really. The issue here is quite clear. The law states what you own and don't. Companies will screw you as much as they can get away with. When there is something which is not clear, it's not until it gets to court that a decision is made. Until then the companies rely on people not being wealthy enough to take them to court and the wealthy ones not giving a flying.

"It's weird to talk about what you believe when it comes to something so technical, but I believe that, through Steam, you own the game without ALL of the rights generally assumed with "owning" something. Like not owning the rights to redistribute the game. They could be like old iTunes and even CyberLink (with my copy of PowerDVD that I just bought) and say you get ONE download."

It's not really an 'I believe' issue. The law states whether you own something. Your agreement in these instances are the agreements of someone who leases or rents. The company is the lessor. You have limited rights but no ownership. Think of it as leasing office space or a car. You don't 'partly' own either. You have responsibilities and limited rights.

Regarding iTunes. It's one of the reasons I never bought any iTunes anything. I couldn't play the content on the devices I wanted to so I didn't buy from them. Still haven't. Being old school I've bought CDs cough. For those out there who are wondering what those are, please check out wikipedia. I'm sure they have a section for 'old tech' ;))

"In your opinion, do you have to be able to sell something in order to own it?"

Pretty much so. The law seems to think the same too. If I can't sell it, I don't own it.

"Is that the sole defining factor?"

Pretty close to it.

"Aside from that, what disadvantages are there from buying through a service like Steam that can't be argued the same way with traditional disc-based media?"

Dunno. Good question really.

I'm not saying people "should not" use Steam etc. I suppose I'm really saying we should stop talking about 'buying' the game and say "I'm leasing/renting" the game. "I'm buying access to the game" maybe?

Now, in summary, I'm not a lawyer, but I studied insurance law, criminal law and other areas of law (all job related).BUT none of this makes me a lawyer :))

Thanks for the questions.

I'm not totally opposed to Steam etc, just very wary as I think we all should be. History is a good teacher (life long interest) of what happens when you give away or have rights taken bit by bit.

Hope I've answered your questions clearly enough.
+Seth Ludeman

Other than from places like the MPAA, can you give me an example or provide a link?

Indicates that the monies to be obtained by the MPAA and  Swedish friends will NOT be given to the artists.

Louis CK has shown that by selling his shows without DRM, he actually MAKES money.

He made $US1 from one of his shows. Check out his own site. He made nothing from DVD sales in the past. Now he makes money by selling recordings of his show for $5.

Here's another one. In Australia there is ARIA (Australia Recording Insitutue


Check out

"How does APRA know who to pay? close

We distribute small business licence fees according to our analysis of radio playlists. APRA regards these playlists as representative of background music performed in small businesses, restaurants and hotels. Commercial radio stations in Australia provide APRA with a full census of the works they broadcast, while community radio is sampled. APRA also receives regular logs from television stations and analyses these for distribution purposes."

In other words, were I to have a business utilising music, they wouldn't pay the artists whose music I used unless it was from the top 20 or so. If I were to use ONLY those who are not in the charts at the moment then Kylie and Britney or whoever would get money but not the artist whose musick I used.

How the hell does that help the artists whose music I was using?

There is no evidence that DRM has assisted artists.
Since I rarely play games again after I complete them, could care less about DRM. Go Humble Bundle
+Florent Castelli

My comments were related more to the issue of 'ownership' than the pure cost of something.

That said, your point is valid nonetheless.

I have the same ambivalence with cheap Kindle books. We own two (neither are mine :)) and a lot of the books on them are books which are free of DRM and often free in $$ terms too.

Many are not, but they were very cheap and some are quite obscure ones which I'd not have read if they were $5 at the bookshop but where $00.99c on the Kindle.

Some (wife, kids) books are in the $7 range which I think is waaaaaaaaaay to much for a book you cannot sell or give away legally (doesn't mean I wouldn't give them away after breaking the DRM now does it???).

Can I given an analogy to highlight my uncertainty about it all?

Louis CK sells his shows for $US5. He has the shows videoed and then edited and then he sells them on his own site free of DRM and in various formats.

When I saw this and not knowing much about him, I bought the video. I would not have bought a $25 DVD but would have bought a $5 DVD if I knew all the money was going to him initially.

He asks that people don't 'share' his work and don't 'give it away' to others. He knows he can't stop this. I wouldn't share his video with my friends. I may play it while they're visiting, but I'd tell them to buy their own if they wanted it. It's only $5!

Thus I'm not opposed completely to people buying cheap games etc, I'm not opposed completely to Steam etc. I am opposed to unreasonable restrictions, middle men/women  claiming the artist is losing out (when it's actually THEM) and I want (!) people to be clearer about the limitations they are paying for.

So, I've bought $1 books I can't sell or share and $5 videos I won't sell or share.

If major books and movies were within this price range and were as easily available as Louis CK's material, I'd have fewer objections and would think the prices were reasonable.

I'll leave you with a final comment. The Australian dollar is worth more than the US dollar. Yet, iTunes sells music in Australia for more than they charge in the USA AND acts as though the US dollar is the same as the Australian dollar.

These are major rip offs for things you don't own!
Part of why this is offensive is that they've asked for a share to support future humble bundles.  Perhaps people have been naive to believe that meant supporting drm free games that run on linux or other platforms, but that is the way many of us felt.

Personally, I had enough issues supporting even drm free games that didn't release the source code.

I'm glad they are raising so much money for the charities.  Perhaps they will find a way to better serve the communities.  Maybe fork off a drm windows HB as a separate organization.  I would like to see some partitioning, for the supporters who do not want to support drm.
+Jeremy Helsel > many developers prefer to work with Steam because it makes their product much harder to steal
You haven't even tried to undestand why developers and gamers prefer Steam. It's not about stealing, every steam game appears on torrent tracker immidiately.
Steam is the easiest way to legally buy game and discover new games, indie or not.
What's going to be funny is if "supporting future humble bundles" turns into a Linux only bundle at some point, especially with the funding that may come from the windows only bundle. All the Linux fans who are saying they'll never support, may have a bundle just for them due to the support from Windows. Will the Linux-zealots and FOSS-fanboys buy in at that one? That will be an interesting bundle for sure. 
I'd also be curious to know if the people complaining, that would have donated say 10$ (and never play/download the games, as some have said) - are instead donating directly to childs-play? This was not a linux-centric delivery system, which was shown even in the first android bundle. That was not "cross platform". This is an event to raise money for charity, get off the soapboxes. There will be more "indie" bundles, there will be more "AAA" bundles, and who knows what else. More money for charity is a good thing, isn't it? 
+Lee McClintock Most of us wouldn't like it. Since we would realise that the majority of users wouldn't be able to use it. If its open source nobody's stopping you from porting it to Windows or Mac. and the extreme Linux users would only go Open Source and DRM free with their software and games.

Of course the Windows crowd would complain and argue that they aren't getting any games. But do you think they're going to be seen as "Linux haters" if they complain about missing out? I wouldn't think so.
+Benedikt Scheving-Þorsteinsson I missed the conversations on the Android bundles, but was there a lot of complaining from the Windows crowd then? Have all of the games released for Linux in earlier bundles so far been open-source, or just DRM-Free and x/platform? HB's purpose isn't to sell Linux games, or Windows games. Maybe we'll even see different "types" of bundles, besides gaming, if they thought they could raise a good amount of money with it. It's not called the "Humble Game Bundle for Linux and Others".
Oh, and the reason I missed the discussions on the Android bundles is because I wasn't interested in Android only bundles. I didn't come to complain, like a lot of people seem to be doing, I passed, and came back when they offered something I was interested in. Hell, I'd like a Solaris bundle if it got me software I could use and proceeds went to a good cause. I'd like to see a Mac only bundle if it would do just as good in raising money for their charities, and I'd pass without complaining on that one too. Sure it sucks to miss out, but really, people getting UPSET that they got left out for a bundle?
+Lee McClintock All the Android bundles also had Windows versions, if there was one of those that didn't then I haven't seen it. Those were all cross platform and DRM free. Never seen any complaining about any lack of Windows or Mac support on those.
I can't decide if I should pay a dollar just so I can try play those games under Linux through wine. 
Does anybody here even know why THQ went HB?
All these talks about "linux support" and "charity" seem funny. Right know is about games and games only: good publisher is gonna die.
If you'll show some support now, i'm sure they won't forget it.
I just bought it to help then and because it is in a very good price...  I don't want THQ to bankrupt, but also, I'm broke and I would love to play games without having to restart my PC.
Come on guys, do your best to suport linux, at least Ubuntu compatible ones as Steam are going to do...
Pay what you want for more proprietary Windows-only garbage... no thanks!!  So sad to see what Humble Bundle has turned into.  It started off with such great ideals...

P.S. You don't mention anywhere on your page what the hell THQ means.  I had to resort to Google to discover that it's just a crappy game publishing company that refuses to port their products to any non-proprietary operating systems.
I admit I did buy it on the recommendation of a friend for one of the games. However, I gave only about half of what I usually do. Does that make it "better"? Don't know.

I just hope that no one at +Humble Bundle sees a success in this bundle and gets the idea that maybe all Windows all the time really is the way to go.
+Seth Ludeman you are aware that iTunes doesn't have DRM on music any more, right? Ditto Amazon
+Samuel Bray Wow, you are pretty hostile. If you don't like it don't buy it. Considering how successful this bundle already is, what do you hope to achieve with your comment other than simply looking angry?
May I point this out btw?

"We’re back with a brand new kind of bundle: the Humble THQ Bundle!" - website.

BRAND NEW. Don't complain cause it's a bit different.
re: "So you also abstain from most music, movie and television purchases as well as the VAST MAJORITY of games?"


Sony, Paramount, etc. all realize that when you buy a movie you OWN that copy. That's why when they advertise the home video release, they say "OWN IT ON DVD TODAY!" or "OWN IT ON Blu-Ray TODAY!" They absolutely know that you actually do own that copy of the film just as you own any book you purchase. They have been trying to lobby to change this, and work hard to try to brainwash idiots like you into believing that you do not legally own what you paid for but you do own it, and they even acknowledge this when they advertise it for sale.

+Benjamin Schram Are you saying that principles have been compromised? How? How is this for personal gain? Potentially HIB gets nothing from this.
Essentially, THQ have issued Steam Keys for their software to the Humble Bundle guys to give out.

All of these games were previously available on Steam and were no longer generating significant revenue. Instead of repackaging these games in a DRM free format that would then need to be distributed via either BitTorrent or traditional means (hosted somewhere/CDN), THQ opted to get involved with the Humble Bundle concept in a cost-effective way whilst still lending support to charities.

I am an advocate for FOSS, however I actually really like Steam. The software is not like SecuROM or TAGES which remains hidden and hooks deeply into the OS, the most important part of the game (my save files) are backed up, I can move machines easily, I don't have to manage media, DLC is easy to get and patching "just works".

Steam does much more to help gamers than to hinder, as well as publishers. I do not feel that my rights are being violated as they typically are with disc-based DRM whereby I am expected to purchase replacement media or (alternatively) repurchase the software simply because of a business decision.

Further, all those noting that the EFF is not a charity being supported here, there isn't some conspiracy going on here. This has happened before with previous bundles.

If this brings more attention to the Humble Bundle going forward, I'm happy. I've supported this bundle because of the games and the concept of a commercial studio actually partaking.
+Benjamin Schram Where does it say that is the Humble bundle tagline? They have certainly aimed for that concept in general, but I have never seen that they plan to exclusively stick to that. I fully expect there to be more bundles of the traditional nature in the near future.

As for making money - the point is they can potentially make none from this, so it is really a far cry from selling out. Feel free to buy it and leave no humble tip. It is up to you.

Don't like it? Don't buy it. What harm is done by this product?
For me, humble bundle should be about drm free and cross platform. If I wanted this type of bundle, I'd buy it off steam. 
Welcome to the dirty business of selling censored games to Germans! Where is the US key I paid for?
Signed up to same the same thing. It used to be the "Humble Indie Bundle" but now it's the "Humble <marketing speak> Bundle™". I just donated $1 to charity instead.
Windows only? Steam only? DRM? Not for me. No purchase this time.
Lol the whine fest in here is unbelievable. So HB are not allowed to do a special deal bundle with THQ, because they don't have Linux versions or DRM free versions of their games? Woav the EGO on some of you guys are unbelievable big.
Nobody is forcing you to buy this bundle and there will be a HIB7 with Linux & DRM free games after this special bundle.
People boycotting HB from now on, because there aren't any Linux games... really? I don't believe it for a second. HIB is properly the biggest thing to happen for Linux gaming in years and a great way for Linux gamers to get new games cheap and to support devs who do Linux games.
What are HB to do? Not work with THQ, even though this is an awesome deal for it's Windows Steam users? FORCE THQ to make Linux versions of older games? Force THQ to release DRM free versions, which will be pirated into hell. Wake up man, that aint gonna happen, it's too expensive to do Linux ports for some games, specially considering how small the potential buyer market is.
Should IOS / WP owners have whined over the Humble Android Bundles? No? What a surprise.
Quit the whining, skip this bundle if you don't like it and come back when HIB7 launches before xmas.
I don't support DRM which requires you to be online or installs rootkits on your machine, but lets face it, when a game has not been pirated, it sells much better, what a surprise.
To anyone who gets angry, then claims they're still going to donate, but they'll give it all to charity, that still means Humble Bundle and THQ are doing a good thing. Obviously there's never been an option of charity donation when buying games from Steam. Every Humble Bundle has made it clear that All Charity is an option, and I that certainly helps convince me that this is still a Humble Bundle.
As for cross platform and DRM free, remember this is a publisher sale, not a developer sale. Even if they wanted to (and I'll admit, if would have been great if they had), it would have been time consuming and costly to get the original devs to port games they made 2-3 years ago. Even just removing DRM is a full time job for the GoG team. For people who already play games like this on PC, they use Windows and they probably use Steam as well, so they won't have an issue with Steam keys. If you don't play big budget commercial games on your PC, it's fair to say this bundle isn't for you.
+Ralph Romero Unfortunately what humdle bundle 'should be for you' is not how decisions are made. No company ever will be able to make decisions that will keep everyone, everywhere happy.
Josef A
I thought Humble Bundles Businessmodel was "Cross-platform, Charity, No-DRM". Now, confused with it.
+Josef A Just because they do Cross platform and no DRM, it does not mean every bundle has to follow suit. If they were going to stop their regular bundles I would see why there was so much whine about this post.
I'm glad to see so much money going to charity, but I really don't care about crappy old windows games from an established corporation.  I hope to see another indie set soon.
Going to have to disagree with you on that. SR3 is not that old, and none of these games can legit be called "Crappy" 
I don't want to sound cynical here, but I think the business model of HIB#1 was "let's use some well known and established indie games to sell some more copies of Lugaru". All the other great stuff just came out of that and has been continued. Cross platform, DRM free and pay what you want had all been done before by World of Goo, so it was just getting the other games on the same terms.

Also, I'm now wondering whether cross-platform, DRM free THQ games would have devalued the standard indie bundles. More freedom for devs and users has always been a strength of indie development. Steam only for commercial games may help people understand that indie gaming is different and better for different reasons. I think it would confuse people if the sales model for these game ($millions budget) was the same as for indie games ($thousands budget). Again, I feel like I'm implying indie games are somehow inferior here, which isn't my intention, but it's important to emphasise they are different.
True, but in the long run it all goes to charity-so getting it out there is good as well. That and THQ needs all the help it can get at the moment.
+Rob Myers You don't get Right of First Sale in the US because you don't OWN anything! You have a license to play, that is all. The Licenser is legally allowed to put any and all limitations on that license that they deem necessary. And you implicitly agree to that license by handing your money over. That's how it works. Don't like it? Don't play computer games.
Windows only, DRM only Humble Bundles is like McDonalds offering a new Happy Meal with no burger or fries or drink, just the toy. Sure the kids are still happy, but the adults are wondering why they shouldn't just go to the toy store instead.

Also, should I be concerned about what it says about gamers when the most successful humble bundle in history is also the only one to feature a game where beating people to death with a giant wang is a gameplay mechanic?
I don't mind steam as a DRM. You can very frequently get games on steam at 50 or 75 percent off and I can never lose the CD because steam is offering a game storage service for free. So I pay much less and don't have to store the game I own. Sounds like a deal to me. Gone are the days of lost games due to corrupt CD's and floppy disks. Gone are the days I pay 40 dollars for a PC game as well, now on average I pay 5-20 dollars, with inflation that's probably like 3-12.
People make way to big of a deal out of steam as a drm. Steam is not some evil entity that is forcing you to jump through hoops. It is extremely easy to use, extremely easy to sign up for, and extremely easy to join up with friends for Co-op games using it. I have at least 20 games I have bought through steam sales (And now these ones, though I already owned company of heroes)  that I would never have gotten before I had steam.

Making a big deal out of a game that is rated M, and is clearly intended to be over the top vulgar and "Offensive" (Though if you get offended by a video game, that is really your own problem) being in the bundle is simply hilarious. It says nothing about gamers that it is popular. Some people like stupid humor, some people don't. If it offends you, ignore it.
Ah, just treat it as a charity donation with some free videogame licenses. 
Wow, I'm beginning to understand the frustration with "entitled gamers". If you don't like the product, don't buy it. It's that simple!

You have no right to cheap/free games, you have no right to DRM-free games, you have no right to Win/Linux/Mac/Android/iHat/Amiga/Amstrad/NES/ZX Spectrum/Ti-89 versions of the games. Sure, it's fantastic when all those things are offered, but stop screaming bloody murder the one time they aren't. You're no better than all the gamers bitching and whining over EA and still buying every fucking game they release.

There's something hilariously self-contradictory about people buying the bundle and donating everything to charity in spite. Why not just go donate directly to the charity then? Then you won't be supporting this bundle from hell. ... Oh right, because then you won't get the Windows only DRM'd games that you are so morally opposed to.

Is this the line for trite moral outrage?  Cause, like, there was no sign, but this looks like the place...
+Anders K. Madsen No offense, but the Linux-using DRM-hating crew aren't buying this at all, we really don't need Windows-only games that only run on Steam.

We are complaining because it is disappointing to see the Humble Bundle brand become yet another game bundler using a charity to whitewash. We worry that this bundle will add enough money to the HB coffers that they will realize they are okay with abandoning their original premise and focusing on maximizing revenue instead.

I mean with already have the IndieGala, Royale and more Steam bundles than you can shake a stick at. The Humble Bundle used to be unique, it is disappointing to see that they are considering surrendering that.
+Scott Hill For this bundle, you are correct. For things with disks, they can bite me, first sale exists.
+Michael Curran It was actually directed at the "so offended, but still buying the bundle" crowd. I completely get why people may be disappointed, but being disappointed is one thing --- that's alright. Raging and preaching while still buying the bundle is another. Believe me, as a multi-platform user (Linux, Win, Android and OS X) I prefer DRM-free, cross-platform bundles too, and Humble have always been the best provider of those. Have a little faith in them, though. I'm pretty sure this is more of an effort to give a helping hand to THQ --- who is on the verge of falling completely apart --- then it is an indicator of a new course for Humble.

They're already mentioning HIB7 on the front page, so I'm sure they aren't going away anytime soon.
I don't think this is the Humble Bundle trying to reposition themselves, more like THQ are in a massive amount of debt trouble despite being a big company, and have cried for help and the Humble Bundle have responded.

It's a bit like if Woolworth's had gone "we're about to go bankrupt; if only we could get every single person who ever liked us to buy one bag of pick 'n mix, we could stay open".

Hey, I'm Linux-using and DRM-hating, but Steam on Windows is still the main way I get commercial games. I've accepted that it's the least evil way to get new games from major publishers, and Steam generally doesn't get in my way. Not to mention lots of indie devs love Steam and are in constant praise of it, and the actual SteamGuard DRM is optional. I do get annoyed when there's extra DRM on top of Steam (GFWL, Ubisoft junk e.t.c.).

If you're seriously worried about HB only caring about profits, why would they stop doing indie bundles which still make lots of money? The books made more than the indie games, but they're still doing games. It can only lead to more bundles, which is good for everyone.
+Anders K. Madsen Well, if they had gone with "THQ Bailout Bundle" or "OMG WTF THQ Bundle" there would have been a lot less whining. To be honest, I've promoted the Humble Bundle folks to friends and colleagues as a company that is doing the "right thing" for gamers, namely, the right price (your choice), with the right DRM (your choice), for the right platform (your choice), since before they cracked 5,000 bundles sold. Now, I don't think I can keep doing that, and that kinda makes me a bit sad,
+Robert Williams It can lead to more Windows-only Steam-only collections of modern military shooters and wang bats. If nothing else, this bundle is teaching them that they can make more money selling week old Wendy's burgers than fresh vegetables from the farmer's market.
+Michael Curran 

"selling week old Wendy's burgers than fresh vegetables from the farmer's market"

Humble Indie Bundle 1: May, 2010, containing:
Aquaria, December 2007
World of Goo, October 2008
Penumbra, March 2007
Gish, 2004 (!)
Lugaru, January 2005

The majority of the THQ games offered are 2010 or more recent, with Company of Heroes being the oldest at 2006 and the latest expansion being 2009.

I do not think your veggies are as fresh as you think they are.
So what? If you do not want the bundle, use the money you were going to spend on it, and donate it directly to charity. Nobody is forcing you to buy it ;P

I do not think "Wang bats" as you put it are going to corrupt our children. They should not be playing it anyway, as it is rated M. 

I do not think steam collections are going to corrupt our lives in general. Nor window's only. Not every bundle is directly going to be great for you. Sorry that the world does not revolve around you though!
+Brad Arnett The only HIB 1 game I had heard about before the Bundle was World of Goo. I considered them fresh because they were still new to the majority of gamers when the bundle launched. Conversely, I haven't played a AAA title in years, but I can still tell you the plot to all the games the THQ bundle, if only from all the marketing hype and reviews they bought.

+Brian James When in doubt make and attack a strawman I guess. I only point to the wang bat as it shows that the target market for this bundle is different than the other bundles. Besides, it's well established that M is for Middle school anyways :P
+Michael Curran I like how you judge a game by hype and marketing... I mean, why look at the games themselves if you can just judge them for not being indie enough for you. And of course, they can't possibly get good reviews without buying the reviewers. When in doubt, make up facts I guess. You're missing out on a lot of good games if you judge them by some weird and random criteria instead of their actual content and gameplay.
I am way to hipster to play any AAA games, so I have no idea what the game is actually like. 

If you let your kids or you know people with kids that let them play M games, that is the problem. Mature=going to have some crazy stuff in it. I find it somewhat hilarious that you have a big problem with the dildo weapon, but not the fact that you kill thousands of people in the game :P

Also just because someone is in an argument with you, does not mean you have to call the argument a strawman, just because you have literally zero response. 
This is a good deal, plain and simple. If you want to whine and complain, please go do it on your locally hosted, self-html encoded blogs of yours. While you are at it, go ahead and write a game from scratch and release it DRM free so you can prove exactly how much you believe all the semi-religious mumbo-jumbo you are spouting off.

Oh wait, I think I just fed another troll. Sorry guys.
+Anders K. Madsen It features an oversized sex toy that is used as a weapon. Honestly, if that isn't enough for a person to judge whether or not a game's content will likely be enjoyable to them, you must be digging through a heaping pile of crap games looking for the perfect pony simulator.

+Brian James I've got no problem with THQ including wang bats. It's more evidence of the M for Middle school theory, but I'd never deny a company the right to make mediocre juvenile games. I called you for strawman building because you are trying to imply that I have some sort of moral outrage at the wang bat. I don't, I think it demonstrates the juvenile nature of the game, which is something rather new to the Humble Bundle.
+Michael Curran Oh, so you were only talking about Saint's Row? Sorry, I just inferred from "I can still tell you the plot to all the games [in] the THQ bundle, if only from all the marketing hype and reviews they bought" that you were talking about more than a single game from the bundle. Entirely my mistake.

So one game in the bundle has a juvenile gimmick --- big fucking whoop. You must have missed some of the stuff included in Super Meat Boy and Binding of Isaac then --- and SMB has been in two bundles.
+Anders K. Madsen The rest aren't the cherry on the Sunday. I've got no real issue with the rest, but they don't really push the boundary of the medium either. Cookie cutter shooter, cookie cutter beat 'em up, etc. I coming back to the point that THQ didn't need Humble Bundle to distribute these games, they could have offered the bundle themselves on Steam.

+Carlos S. M. Technically there are 3 levels of DRM here:

1. DRM-free - per the other Humble Bundles
2. Standard Steam DRM - per what current Linux and most indie Steam games have
3. In-game DRM - per what THQ games typically have (in varying degrees)

3 is crap like Starforce and it's what folks really hate. 2 is annoying, but most folks will let that side.
+Michael Curran Again pulling facts out of your ass. "Standard Steam DRM" --- that's what most games on Steam has! It's not just indie titles or games available for Linux on Steam. It's the vast majority of games on Steam! Also, not a single THQ game has any DRM in addition to Steam, so the "varying degrees" you're talking about is exactly and consistently none.

In fact, out of the current 10 top sellers on Steam (Black Ops II, Assassin's Creed III, Hitman: Absolution, Chivalry: Medieval Warfare, Football Manager 2013, ARMA II: Combined Operations, Unreal Deal Pack, Borderlands 2, Counter-Strike: Global Offensive and X-Com: Enemy Unknown) none (that's exactly 0, just to make it clear) have any DRM in addition to Steam.

If you don't like the games in the bundle, don't buy it. I wasn't a huge fan of the games in some of the Android bundles, so --- you know what --- I didn't buy them! I also didn't whine and cry to Humble about it.
I don't see why people are so opposed to the bundle. You get 4-5 AAA titles. You can pay all the money to HIB if you don't want to support THQ. DRM means nothing when it only costs $1.
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