Tomorrow, Congress will vote on the Paycheck Fairness Act, which would give employees better tools and support to claim equal pay for equal work. #EqualPay More info: http://wh.gov/equalpay
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- I will submit that I do not understand feminism based on my similar experience that precious few people understand the TRUE nature of racism and civil rights movement. Nonetheless I consider much of the rhetoric of radical feminism to be "blame men" oriented.
Listen to Sheryl Sandberg, COO of FaceBook. She speaks in terms of training men as if they were animals. She says things like women should mary women if possible. If not, find a man you can train properly, or find a good man. Her tongue may be implanted in her cheek, but not to firmly. She goes on about wanting a world where half the businesses are run by women and half run by men. To me that's just silly. My guess is that in the not too distant future you will find more women than men running businesses. It just happens.
I consider many of her statements to be offensive, and others utterly stupid. Yet I'll be the first one standing up to protect her right to say them, and no one can disagree that historically blaming men was absolutely appropriate. I do not believe it is now, any more than I believe that black people should still be blaming white people for our failings. Though many, in my experience, still do.
What I am specifically addressing here and now is the issue of equal pay. First, I do not believe that the measured pay gap is based on any form of gender discrimination. That's why I want to see all factors, not just gender measured. I believe women make different decisions, not inferior decisions, but decisions that result in pay discrepancies. The largest decision being children. The decision to have and raise children is part of a free society. All of our life decisions are. It is not the responsibility of an employer to compensate for those.
Consider that the salary gap between black men and white men is 74.5% and growing from what I understand. I know that from the moment we (black people) are born our home experiences are different. Generally speaking education is not, shall we say, as aggressively pushed and pursued as it is in similar white households. I could write a dissertation on the differences I've seen. Some of the most involved black parents pay for private schools, but don't take an active role in the education process and planning. No amount of legislation is going to change this. If someone passed another law stating that equal pay must be maintained across races specifically, it would just be another stigma that black people would have to deal with. If you look at the education situation, when we do actually graduate from high school and we do actually make it through college, we don't tend to go into the harder subjects like engineering, science, technology, etc. We choose business, sociology, easy things to get a degree in.
Consequently I don't believe the pay gap is due to discrimination. Produce a pay gap chart that shows nothing but black men with Masters Degrees in Computer science vs white men with Masters Degrees in Computer Science, and then lets have a look. All black men vs. all white men is meaningless. All black people vs. All white people more so.
Show me a 74.5% gap between white men with MS degrees in computer science and black men with MS degrees in computer science, and I'll say, "WTF?" Even then I would say, let's look deeper at this data. Certain schools might be more valuable. Certain curriculums. Written and spoken language skills. Extracurricular activities. All sorts of factors might come into play. Maybe, a fraction of a percent is discrimination. I would take the differences I found between black and white MS CS folks and, as I indicated earlier, produce a document that says... there are decisions you might make to increase your earning power, or that might decrease your earning power.
I went to Cal State Northridge, for instance. I know that the guy with the MIT BS CS is going to make more than I am. I have to prove myself. Heck, considering the odds, I'm thrilled to be in the game!
So if the equal pay in the workplace legislation passes, I have the option of taking my employer to task over the pay discrepancy. Waste of her time, waste of my time, waste of money. Now she has to sit down and document why I'm inferior to a coworker(s). Oh joy.
Legislatively, as far as equal rights, we've done well in this country. Now it's time to work out the kinks. Piling up more legislation won't help, but working to shift cultural influences on kids from reality TV to education will help. It's easy to toss out a law and say, "employers you fix it." It's harder to ask what's really going on and address it.
Also, I would appreciate it if you could recommend a good text on feminism. If my understanding is limited, and it is, I would like to understand it from your perspective better. I would be happy to discuss feminism from my point of view, in which I agree with my libertarian counterparts mentioned above, but with the caveat that as long as people understand the consequences, what the tradeoffs are, then it's fine with me.
Saw this elsewhere on G+...
"A history professor brought his 6-year-old son, Billy, to work one day, and they toured the campus together.
They went to the Math department, and Billy asked the professor: 'What's 2+2?' The professor told him: '2+2 is 4, Billy.'
Then they went to the Engineering department, and Billy asked the Engineering professor: 'What's 2+2?' The professor told him: '2+2 is 4, Billy.'
And, finally, they went to the Statistics department, and Billy asked the Statistics professor: 'What's 2+2?' The professor asked: 'What would you like it to be, Billy?'"Jun 11, 2012
- Ok. We're moving closer together here.
"...Thomas may whine that government is horrible and minorities or women have equal rights and should just work harder, but it's difficult to fight against the cultural hegemony that aggrandises and promotes gender determinism...."
I don't believe that there is a cultural hegemony. I believe that in our society there are clear paths to success. I believe that we have subcultures that don't necessarily embrace those paths. The result is subcultures that seem to be marginalized by some hegemony. We like to point the finger at white men, and it is my observation that this is at the very least, unfair.
Growing up black in America, in south central Los Angeles, I made decisions. I avoided drugs, gangs, etc. I didn't need anyone to point out that drugs and violence were a losing proposition. Everyone was poor. Nonetheless there was opportunity everywhere and the people growing up around me, with me, largely chose to ignore it. We had the culture we created. We had/have the environment we created. We could have chosen education as the holy grail, but we didn't. This is the responsibility of the so called "community" not some cultural hegemony. If anything, the schools were crap. Teachers basically phoned it in. There were good teachers, some incredible, but most, meh. Going to school for me was a matter of survival as much as education. Still, no one prevented me from learning. There were times when my grades sucked because it was just too dangerous and crazy to go to school, but I pulled a Bradbury and hung out at the library all day. During the summer, I'd get dropped off there in the morning and picked up in the evening.
It's choices. I can't tell you why we make the choices we do.
Concerning gender identity...
There is a woman who publishes a website called "The Pioneer Woman." She's an educated woman who accidentally fell in love with a "Cowboy type" as she puts it, and now lives in the middle of nowhere on a working cattle ranch. I cannot explain it, but I get much joy from that website.
Anyway, take a look at this specific post:
http://thepioneerwoman.com/homeschooling/2011/03/the-science-fair-project/ I found it very interesting.
I always used to wonder if I had a child, would I wind up send her to an insane asylum by trying to squelch the natural "girlness" in her. I.e. "No honey, really, I swear, this is Barbie's dream data storage facility." Or "This really is Skipper's cool new beach bunker and projectile launcher."
I know when growing up, they couldn't have given my sister a truck to play with to save their lives. She was a "girl." Girls and boys are different. Very very different. People are free to choose their paths.
Ask Mr. Shawna Rochelle Kimbrell, first black female fighter pilot. She was allowed to dream that dream. I was not. She was born to immigrant parents, and that same old story is there. They pushed education. I tell you, I look at her and I get an actual sense of pride, not pride in a black person, or woman, but human being, because she and her parents figured it out.
I think if we want to change things we need to stop glamorizing the things we do in this country, and glamorize education, hard work, excellence, what it means to be American (because we've forgotten), because people like Kimbrell are damn few as they say.Jun 11, 2012
- Excuse me, but when in ANY of my comments did I make any statements that "it's horrible that women & minorities have equal rights"? Here's a hint: I never did say that; YOU are attributing 's words to me, and that's not right at all. I'm a firm believer in equality b/c I believe we are all equally human. In fact, your first few posts were very much in alignment with my beliefs, though it seems you have started to drift towards Joshua's side of the argument (against your own experiences) based on who-knows-what reasons. Here's another hint: just because I strongly dislike feminists who use flawed studies to push a gender war, doesn't mean I dislike women. So again Thelonius, I do suggest that you properly attribute hateful stupidity to the proper people, and don't take someone else's words as proof for my beliefs.Jun 21, 2012
- Wow, do you blow your mother with that mouth? Calling me an "uneducated, loquacious airhead" because I disagree with your obviously biased opinion? Seriously dude, being such a well-leashed boy won't get you laid any easier, at least not by women who turned off by squishy & spineless toyboys. But it does show everyone just how desperate you are for female attention. Here's a hint for you, dickless for brains: learn to practice the tolerance of diversity that you preach - otherwise you prove yourself a hypocrite. And a free bit of reality check: no matter how you spin the facts, and no matter how many biased studies you quote, from however many dubious groups that receive funding based on how much they can distort the facts, it still doesn't change the reality of life. Even when you are showing how "educated" you think you are (compared to real life knowledge that wasn't drummed into your too0thick head at a quaint feminist "re-education center" in women's issues class.Jun 22, 2012
- I've always been for equal pay for equal work but this is just going to have Republicans rolling and thrashing in the isles and foaming at the mouth. Love it. :)Aug 18, 2012
- Obama only did that, because the she/he was born a woman. Although women deserve equal pay, don't count on it happening until a republican president is in the White House.Aug 11, 2014