I'm not sure I'd make the claim about Numenera that this article does (perhapscan comment) — I've seen him comment that his post-KS sales have been quite strong. What I don't know is if those are strong sales through direct channels, or through distro; I believe ICV2's perspective and rankings, for what they're worth, are based on retail and distro sales channels and don't take direct-from-publisher sales into account at all. (ICV2's methods for compiling that list are a bit obfuscated).
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- Fixed it so there's no more need to derail the thread.Mar 16, 2014
- -- free (as in $0.00 )stuff doesn't show up on the DriveThruRPG "metal" lists. Between Fate and Eclipse Phase though, there's more open-licensed stuff that's free to distribute that also sells for $ showing up on the Platinum chart.Mar 17, 2014
- Regardless, ICv2 doesn't look at DTRPG at all. Retail-focused, people. Retail.Mar 17, 2014
- Just a few thoughts:
1) In regards to RPG e-books I wish there were better facilities available for reading PDFs on non-backlit screens. For me backlit screens can get uncomfortable. If we had e-ink screens that could handle PDFs with about the same speed and ease as regular computer or tablet screens, that would be great. I'll always prefer to have my RPG books in print, but it would be nice to be able to take advantage of some of the RPG e-books as well.
2) Someone here mentioned the price point of the Fate system. I think the combination of a good game and a good price point should never be underestimated. Like many these days, money is extremely tight for me. If the print version of Fate was $30+ I would have to say that it sounded interesting, but I wouldn't be getting it. But because the core book is only $20, or right around $5 for the accelerated version, that makes it affordable to me. I know that prices are often less with the RPG e-books but as I mentioned above, print books are really the only option for myself and the majority of my game group.
Going along with that, I'm not exactly a fan of game systems where you have to buy multiple books just to play the game. To really play D&D for instance, you need the three main books. Other systems like Pathfinder or Fate or Savage Worlds have optional books to expand the game if you'd like, settings and what-not, but to play the game you only need the one core book, which is by far what I prefer. I'm more likely to buy a game that comes in a single core book, enjoy it, then buy source books for it than I am to even begin playing a game that has multiple core books.
3) At my FLGS, Pathfinder has always outsold and outplayed D&D, even when D&D was being more actively supported.Mar 17, 2014
- Fate Core is $25, but I take your point all the same and it was definitely in mind when we priced things. :)Mar 17, 2014
- The truly amazing thing is that D&D is on the list AT ALL, given that they haven't released any real playable product in something like over a year. For stores that are willing to go all-in, if you can keep the momentum going with in-store play and avoid losing too many customer to direct sales, you're going to sell a lot of Paizo by sheer virtue of the unending deluge of product they release.
Fred's success is much-deserved and the product of many years of hard work: but presence on this particular list is as much about 'mindshare' as it is about marketshare. The number of hobby market stores that actually have modern inventory and POS systems is depressingly low, so the usefulnes of the ICv2 lists is mostly for trending and seeing what retailers have top-of-mind.
FWIW, as more retailers experience how store-friendly the entire line is, they should hopefully keep that momentum going. We've certainly done everything we can to leverage the Bits N Mortar connection, the most effective retail-positive initiative anyone in the RPG industry has launched with the possible exception of the early full-support days of D&D Encounters.
At some point we have to ask whether being in first place with a line that extends to hundreds of SKUs over a decade is as formidable as 'only' being in second or third with a line that is less than a dozen. I know which one impresses ME more. (Actually, the idea of making the Top 5 list in any endeavor without having released anything new for close to a year is pretty mind-boggling, too...)
Anyway, nobody panic. Once NEXT drops in July, D&D will roar right back to the top of the list, and be solidly there for a year or so. Given that Pazio is at the point where their major releases for Pathfinder are collections of NPCs and God books, they're almost certainly due to finally bite the bullet and update/revise sometime in the next year or two, and then it gets really interesting for retailers again.Mar 17, 2014