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Will there be a cease-fire in their weeklong conflict?
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Hope so...but skeptical :( 
 
Come on guys. You can trust the Palestinians. They never lie. 
 
Once again, the Israelites misunderstand the term "utterly".
 
Soy creyente y La Iglesia Católica está celebrando este año, como el año de la Fe, la fe es un valor de la humanidad, se centra en tener convicción de lo que no se ve. Por eso quiero enviar un mensaje muy serio y directo a los miles de creyentes en el Mundo. Si tienes fe, ora fervientemente por la Paz en Tierra Santa. Que muy pronto los Palestinos cuenten con un estado reconocido en todo el Orbe. Los Musulmanes,  al igual que Los Hebreos junto a Los Cristianos, somos hermanos porque descendemos de un tronco común que es Abraham, El Padre de la Fe. Este Mundo necesita tanto del progreso, pero si no hay paz, respeto y tolerancia, nunca podrá progresar. Creo que todos los seres humanos independientemente de la nacionalidad merecemos respeto, espacio y afecto. No quiero escusas, quiero fe y oración, para lograr lo que la política nunca ha logrado en ese sector del Planeta. Oremos por la paz de Oriente y del Mundo entero. Basta ya de dolor y ateísmo.
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It comes down to this- Gaza (The Palestinians) have been angry and bombing Israel for 40+ years now... They are angry and they want "their" land back.
Is Israel going to continue to sit back and take it, or are they going to snap at some point...hop in their American gifted planes and annihilate Gaza and the Palestinians?
Are they going to hunker down and create/get a nuclear weapon and does America come in and stop it all or is there an all out war?

So are they near a truce? Israel is the only place that knows this. Are they past the point of no return in anger, or are they willing to continue to wait patiently while Gaza continues to bomb them.
 
There may be a temporary truce but, as Paul Jewkes said, Gaza has been bombing Israel for 40+ yrs. and I dont think that a little visit by Clinton is going to help anything. Israel and Gaza will, most  likely, always be enemies.
 
How is a nation that is only a few hundred years old supposed to lead people who have been fighting for centuries to peace? How much effort do we put into this before we just step back and say "have at it, may the best people win."? I'm inherently non-violent, but it's pragmatic to accept that some things can only be decided by a fight. From the outside it's easy to see nobody can "win" here, but hopefully some or all involved will eventually tire of fighting and realize that and look for a better solution on their own or at least learn to listen to others point of view.

If you look at me and say "don't hold me back!" you can rest assured that I will not hold you back. You should be damn sure you are ready to fight if you are going to start one, whether you are a drunk at the bar or an ideologue running a country.
 
That is exactly what Gaza has done +Tim Taylor

"Start a fight they cannot win, cry to the world, get foreign nations to talk about disproportionate retaliation and therefore make Israel the bad guy."

Then Israel looks over at the world and says "Really guys?? Really? They have been bombing us for 40 years!

In the end...isn't this playing out exactly the way we knew it would?
 
Actually "Palestinians" couldn't care less about land. Forget the other names we give them: "Muslim brotherhood", "Al-Quaeda" and the like.

They're MUSLIMS. They follow a book that gives them 109 commandments, clear and open-ended to maim, enslave, and kill every one of us. Israel's mistake was to survive. And as long as it does, they'll kill there.

This "truce" idea is just a means to give them time to reload. History agrees.
 
+Tim Taylor With respect to age I was referring to the peoples/cultures, not the borders. Borders are arbitrary, although I guess if I was ranking stupid things to fight over, imaginary lines around my home would be slightly less stupid than religion. Unfortunately for the region they seem to have an infinite supply of stupid things that they think are worth fighting over, all ranked highly important.
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+Brian Fahrlander - are you serious? You can flip that and say that about ANY imaginary friend holy book that people seem to take word for word.
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+Tim Taylor then I must have not read the same books as you. All the "holy" books I've read have gone on about killing others who are gay, not the same religion as you, etc. 

Here's great bits from the Bible for example: -You must kill those who worship another god.  Exodus 22:20. -Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own.  Deuteronomy 13:6-10 -Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you.  Deuteronomy 13:12-16  -Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own.  Deuteronomy 17:2-7 -Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13 -Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20 - Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah.  Mark 6:11 - 

The same applies in a lot of other religious texts, so again, tell me how it's only in the Quran that killing is being declared as OK by one of the gods. So you can't sit there and just say it's one religion when they are all guilty of it.
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+Tim Taylor, your last paragraph holds true for a lot of religions. Which is the point I was trying to make. Whether the quotes be from one book or another. It doesn't matter. Those books still hold hate speech. End point. 

Whether people actually act on them or for the most part "turn the other cheek" is not just a one religion reference. There have been many religions that have acted out on the hatred within their books towards others. That's the point I was trying to make with replying to +Brian Fahrlander's comment.
 
Israel has 80 nukes. 
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+Tim Taylor I find it useful to just leave the books behind myself and use my own moral compass as opposed to what some man thought it should be thousands of years ago :) It's actually 1pm here, but you have a good night yourself!
 
No they cant use em. Way to close. Fallout would be like spitting on the wind
 
+Tim Taylor Earlier you said 

"My point is simple, violence is the choice of Hamas, they should be prepared for the consequences."

I think perhaps you've helped me back up a level to view this from a wider scale. If you substitute "Hamas" in your statement with "humans" that gets us a lot closer to the root of the problem. No matter how many of us abhor violence, especially when it entangles the innocent, we seem unable to let go of it as a species. It takes many to bring peace, only a few to disrupt it and restart the cycle of violence.

The irony that Secretary of State Clinton is seeking to broker a peace in a place armed by us, just a hop skip and a jump away from countries still marked with craters from our bombs, is quite lovely. America the Peacemaker. 
 
I'm seriously rethinking my stance on God and religion. Do we really need a God who is silent when great suffering happens in his name? 

We humans need sit back and reassess this thing we call "faith."
 
Mr. Fox, we must stay faithful and know that God's will is perfect. 
 
ah "The Problem With Evil" ---Philosophers take it away!
 
If God's will is perfect, +Paula Ortiz then remind me why his "perfect will" actually destroys faith as opposed to enhancing it? 

That not only applies to suffering caused in his name, but other evils that happen on this planet on a constant basis. 
 
Sadly, humans are imperfect Mr. Fox. Many of us are impatient, intolerant and easily led astray. This is how it was in the beginning (Genesis) and how it will be until the end (Revelations). So keep the faith and pray for peace in the Middle East.
 
But that is the trouble, +Paula Ortiz. Religion cannot provide answers to the problem of evil, without resorting to holy books. 

People need more evidence other than it's "God's will" or "the Bible says." 

By the way. It isn't the trouble in the Middle-East. It is the suffering in general that makes me pissed off. 
 
Cease fire only means Hamas get to restock and reload.  Israel needs to finish it.  didn't drive out the Philistines in Biblical times, nows their chance to finish what should have been done long ago. This may sound hard, but with cease fire, nothing will be accomplished other than stockpiling more supplies and reloading.
 
+Leo Fox The problem I've had with faith and "God's will" from a very early age is that I've seen it get credit for some peoples compassion and hard work and I've seen it absorb the blame for a lot of hate and violence. It seems to me that God's will is in the eye of the beholder, and because of that far too often it is nothing more than a rationalization to back someones greed or play for power at the expense of others. My guess is that if anyones God is actually real, the choice of that God to reveal him or her self through human filters means that the revelation is likely to be skewed, warped, abused and ultimately fubar'd. 

Most religions provide a good framework for living and treating others well. It's up to us to pick the framework we are most comfortable with and then live by it. And even without religion it's perfectly possible to construct your own framework that is just as valid and treat people just as well. 

It's when the framework becomes the end, rather than the means, that things start to get messy.
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