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Chart of the day: Chinese students abroad

China’s youth are voting with their feet and getting western educations in rapidly rising numbers, possibly setting the stage for a fundamental shift in values as they return home. Over the past two years, 620,000 Chinese have gone abroad to study, which is more than a quarter of the total number who have studied overseas since the start of China’s reform policies in 1978.

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+Shinji Tanaka Where would you rather live, Japan or China? Exactly. People complain about the downsides to capitalism but capitalism is the only thing that can make any of us get along.
 
But the point is how many of these students will go back???
 
It doesn't mater how many go back, how much money is that bringing into the US. We don't export anything anymore, we cut research funding, so we cant export ideas. Education is our export now. You can't run an economy solely on services
 
In terms of US,they get money from Foreign students(the fees difference is atleast twice) and they get people for Masters and Phd which fuel the research..Exporting education is not a problem,until you dont make it a body shop..The question raised in article that people returning back to China will cause a change there,but I dont think many people will want to go back on there own
 
i wana study some where awesome where i can actully learn some thing
 
Eventually this was all stop since most people in the USA don't go on to get PhDs. So eventually we will be left with no one to teach at that level.
 
+Khürt Williams but wont the migrants who do phd in US,will take up teaching positions in University..If Phd stops,then the engine of innovation might slow down(esp in Engineering and Science,no idea abt other fields),so i think thts a little far fetched
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"China’s youth are voting with their feet and getting western educations in rapidly rising numbers, possibly setting the stage for a fundamental shift in values as they return home."

I'm not so sure about the conclusion here. History shows that the Chinese are fast digesters of what they absorb from outside and thus jump to higher levels of sophistication within the realm of their own traditions...
 
+kumar kushal Correct. If they choose to stay or are encouraged to stay and teach. I had quite a few Chinese and Indian teaching assistants when I did my MSEE. The challenge may be that not all will choose to teach. Some may choose to enter the more lucrative labs of the corporate world.
 
+Khürt Williams I wasn't confusing anything. I wasn't talking about democracy. Although corporations paying off our politicians certainly effects democracy doesn't it?
 
+Eric Weber Perhaps I misunderstood your words:

"+Shinji Tanaka Where would you rather live, Japan or China? Exactly. People complain about the downsides to capitalism but capitalism is the only thing that can make any of us get along."
 
HAHAHAHA +Eric Weber "capitalism is the only thing that can make any of us get along". What you mean to say is, capitalism buys the bigger stick, that allows capitalists to impose on those who have none. Compliance is not cooperation. And YES you are confusing economic models with social models. The day China turns to capitalism, they'll collect on their part of the US debt and the USA will belong to China. And will impose their will by force as well.
 
大多数出国的都是家庭富裕的。大多数出国的就是为了不回国。
1楼那个说中国变成日本的,太不了解中国了。
中国的教育已经完蛋,而日本却有很多世界一流的大学。
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+JP Lizotte No what I mean is that capitalism is the difference between peace and war. It's the reason we have civilized societies. Democracy is something that comes along with capitalism because humans need freedoms in order to reap the benefits of capitalism. Capitalism came first, you know, BUSINESS IS CAPITALISM after all. What you are doing is using your own cynicism toward modern societies and trying to make a negative example out of something that feeds billions of people.
Democracy is the result of capitalism. And with both capitalism and democracy, we have no excuse for failure because we are SUPPOSED to be in control remember? Democracy is failing because WE ARE FAILING IT. And the same goes for failing capitalist economies. We have to blame ourselves. And of course the people that are in power that don't listen.
 
Whatever,even though i can not appreciate what my government has done. But i can not fully agree with the point that democracy is the result of capitalism. No matter what kind of society we live in,freedom and democracy is the result of conflicts between different political groups.
 
出去了 谁tm想回来。回来淘金可以,国籍最好就留那了。
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+Driftor Hu true and as our societies progress, we see the value in solving those conflicts through peaceful means. Including capitalist means. It's a very powerful option to have on the table. China's rise in economic power is proof. And many of the Chinese know that democracy is inevitable. How soon it comes is up to them. When a country begins to see the benefits of freedom, their leaders begin to lose fear of it. They begin to see that it's better for everybody, even them. Because you can't live forever and you want your children to have better
 
加起来一年不到20w的留学生,不算多啊。。
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+Sky Deng You really shouldn't try to compare that way two nations. I mean as better or worse. I am sure there are aspects wher Japan may be better tan China but others China is better than Japan. (China has a lot of space, for instance and Japan is more open to world communications)

So it's really not fair to just say a country is better than an another. Unless there's a specific area you want to compare. Like education or politics.
 
中国跟日本还是不一样,中国现在教育制度赶日本差远了。现在经济也还不错,确实没什么担心的,但是经济问题是必然的,那个国家发展中没遇到过危机,关键就什么时候来,什么程度。出国学生增多,就是缺乏信心的表现,对未来危机的担忧。
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Um Japan is better by far for many reasons that we don't need to get in to. It's not about race or anything. It's just that Japan is so much further ahead in so many ways. China has some exciting stuff going on though too. But all in all, I'd move to Japan before I'd move to China. And if I had to go to China I'd try to go to China owned Hong Kong.
 
+Eric Weber <sarcasm>and because you have been to both countries and lived there extensively you are well placed to judge. </sarcasm> Not.
 
真的,现在这环境,素质……唉………so Sad 
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Ah yes. Again, for people like +Eric Weber it's a competition... I understand how for you it's all about positions. Your recourse to foul language doesn't indicate any loss on other part than your own. Learn from other people instead of assuming it's trolling. Just as I've now learned from you.
 
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对留学的人是否愿意回国 的分歧已经证明了中国教育对于未来的信&心不足 国家教育现状急需改变 不能再用改了不知如何 不改就是适合这种莫名其妙的借口进行短板回避 另外对于社会结构形式 我指关系社会与校园官僚主义发展 国家教育的目的与方向更要好好确立 现在的状态实在是摸不清国家对于教育的观点为何 看上去放弃国家教育的比重比较大
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It depends on the wealthy. The more money you get,you could enjoy more
 
hopeless to education in China
 
Enjoy?More oversea education means more self discovery and self realization. Rich get quite sober now and vote by feet. Actually no one ever think of study in Chine if have a choice.
 
they are rich Chinese people.poors like us have no chance to vote eith their feet.
 
Interestingly, the Netbase(www.163.com) have a relative topic about lost dream of study abroad. So stupid to preach little downside to great benefit.
 
if the door of China open completly,more people will go abroad and never back,unless freedom is back
 
if the door of China open completly,more people will go abroad and never back,unless freedom is back
 
I also want to go abroad,but have no chance.
 
I want to study abroad too,and i am preparing for it.
 
一个人,如果已经固定了性格,那么他去哪里都是一样的。
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来这里评论的代表不了chinesepeople
 
为啥,至少代表了自己嘛。没事代表别人干啥?小心被人骂死
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真正求学去的有多大比例?
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Jian Hu
 
Im only says, Do you remember tsinghua university?
 
+JP Lizotte yes, you are right. i mean if the crisis happen, China maybe worse than Japan.
 
+Patrick Lambert 出去了的,有多少是愿意回来的,绝大部分都愿意留下了,特别是最顶尖的人才都留下了 。这已经是不争的事实,这就是一种危机.
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I just want to say that in new zealand couple weeks ago immigration disclosed a report that every year here only nearly 30% chinese students staying. The one more than chinese students which is from indian roughly 33%·
 
+Vincent JIN 我说的是大部分,至少我大部分同学出国就没回来。
国外的教育是很好,国外的机会应该是公平的。
因为有部分同学在国内的时候成绩非常非常差,但是到了国外,通过自身努力都顺利完成学业。
回来的理由,大概有两点吧,一个是家里很优厚,出国只是游历,二是家庭亲情原因,很多人都是独生子女。若还有第三点,大概是在国外混不下去,被迫回来。
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+Yiming Zhang 这哪是教育的不足?而是对这个社会无信心的表现!出去的人大多家里还是有点钱的,人家都不愿意自己的孩子在国内发展。
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说到日本,日本当年也有这样大部分人为了逃避而出国吗?有相关资料么?
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+mu mu
日本明治维新很多人留学归国,但是他们的国家没有辜负他们。之后日本国力扶摇直上到最终世界tier1。我们一样也有那个年代,只不过回来的后来都,你懂的。所以才有现在这个情况
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@不了人。Jacky Cao 别说这么远好不?明治维新...要知道我朝第一代领导班子大都都是留学的。鲁迅这类的,不也是海龟么?
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+Jacky Cao 明治时的情况和现在大不一样,那个时候的美国是不适于亚洲人生存的,那时连黑人都还没翻身, 所以去的人肯定会回来的. 其实,据我所知,中国现在也不是说留过说的回来就无忧了,这个时期已经过去.
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傻了吧,好的不看看坏的。
 
+Devin Zhang
我时间说得粗。事实上日本后来不比西方差,所以归国与不归没有太大差异。就拿签证来说,有机会给你选你自己明白。混不下去的除外,但无一例外不在为了某样东西努力
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disappointment national, disapointing people.
Jian Hu
 
I want to say,Our people like our country,And freedom will enter our country in the last,but it will be really freedom instead of western country freedom,we have own view about freedom and have no use for others replace.
Jian Hu
 
I just want to say,Our people like our country,And freedom will enter our country in the last,but it will be really freedom instead of western country freedom,we have own view about freedom and have no use for others replace.
 
只有改革才能向前發展,不然永遠都是一潭死水。越攪越混
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+Jacky Cao 然后?你说人家回国带来了新时代,我们不也有回国的嘛?可中国现在不是重复几千年的老路?你以为走新路了么?不说留学,很多人都想着移民。石康、高晓松、姚明等等名人不都这样?日本确实也有,但是人家出国不是为了逃离。宇多田光身为米国人都是日本国民级别的歌姬。
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if have chance I want to abroad to finish my next study.
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你们所有人都不了解中国真正的社会现实,因为你们没有社会经验,尽尽是在想象。如果没有中国的政府部门工作上10年的经验,你怎么也体会不到。
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+吴廖 其实不知道人可能过的更开心点,学学古人,隐居于山野,平平淡淡也是一种福气。
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+mu mu
曾经的意愿似乎是一样的吧。结局相反而已。太复杂事情就随它去。日本中国确实是相似下全相反的两国。
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+吴廖 一个国家的社会现实,不是应该是底层老百姓才知道的最真实的么。
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我也想去留学啊~可惜没有国外学校要我,我也么有钱赞助,哈哈!
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notice that the rate of students who are studying business/management, that's the relative the easiest department for non-background students. 这些专业都是很好毕业的,某种程度上证明了留学的动机。
 
不全看懂,只能猜大概意思
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回來了就是助紂為劣,
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