The control freaks are refuted by their own numbers. They lie, and they can't even lie competently; how pathetic is that?
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- Yes, the military has such plans - and knows, from experience, that a civil conflict against civilians on their home grounds is messy, demoralizing, and dangerous out of all obvious proportion to the civilians' nominal combat power. This is not something any historically literate military officer wants to screw with - it's enough of a deterrent to really matter in the political power equation.
Besides, you don't need to imagine civilian gun owners going up against the 81st Airborne to find scenarios in which the check on government power is real. Think paramilitary thugs, and cast your mind back to Germany in 1938 - if the Jews had not previously been disarmed by order of the state, the expected casualty cost of Kristallnacht might have been so high that the SA wouldn't have moved.Dec 31, 2012
- : I don't know if this applies to you or not, but I find it at least curious that many of the same people who were complaining about how we were wasting lives in Iraq and Afghanistan raise the argument that civilians can't fight well-equipped military forces. The same techniques that the jihadis use there can be used with equal effectiveness here, as long as the civilian populace is not disarmed. It is that exact capability that the Second Amendment exists to guarantee.Dec 31, 2012
- Actually, he sort of has a point. This is why restricting the types of weapons we own is in violation of the Second Amendment. Also, as Peter pointed out, keeping tabs on all possible armed and belligerent citizens is entirely not in our favor.
But to further emphasize 's point, you don't have to think to Germany 1938. There are examples much more recent and on our own soil. The battle of Athens (Georgia, US) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_(1946)] is one such example. There were small, isolated incidents as recent as the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina that also involved civilians defending their property against armed "extensions" of the law.
Protecting ourselves versus tyranny does not necessarily mean the entire might of the US government. Although, as pointed out, that would not be an insurmountable problem. It has been done before. It would, however, be certainly more effective with armaments more closely matched to the possible opposition and without all of the dissidents being on a list that could be addressed before collective opposition were organized.Dec 31, 2012
- There is also the aspect that if the US military were ordered in defiance of the Second Amendment to go door-to-door and collect all firearms, the odds are very good that a lot of the military would refuse and actively oppose the order.
There is a rumor that Bill Clinton discussed with the Pentagon the idea of issuing an executive order revoking the Second Amendment (which would have been outside his authority, even for an executive order) and having the military go door-to-door rounding up all private firearms (thus also violating both the Fourth and Fifth amendments, and the Posse Comitatus act), and that the Joint Chiefs warned him that the probable result would be a large-scale armed uprising. I don't know whether there is any factual basis to this story or whether it is entirely apocryphal. It doesn't seem to me that even Bill Clinton could have been that stupid.
(Dianne Feinstein, now ... I can totally see HER being that stupid.)Dec 31, 2012
- : I didn't know about the Battle of Athens. Thanks for pointing it out.
And it's definitely worth noting that the Democrat-led government in New Orleans seized personal firearms in the aftermath of Katrina. This eventually led to 21 state laws and a federal law banning such seizures in an emergency. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_government_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina#Confiscation_of_civilian_firearms .
If it was done in the past, it can and will be done again...Dec 31, 2012
- For those curious about real world gun control, in California I can get an illegal gun for pretty cheap. I wasn't even trying to get a gun connection so I don't remember the price. So, even in Los Angeles gun control doesn't work except make it harder for law abiding citizens.Jan 2, 2013