> But the state tells lies in all the tongues of good and evil; and whatever it says it lies—and whatever it has it has stolen.

All-too-many are born: for the superfluous the state was invented.

Behold, how it lures them, the all-too-many—and how it devours them, chews them, and ruminates!

Only where the state ends, there begins the human being who is not superfluous: there begins the song of necessity, the unique and inimitable tune.

// The quotes are from Nietzsche's Thus Spoke Zarathustra. Above is the Kaufmann translation, the street art below is a pithy paraphrase of the original German:

> Aber der Staat lügt in allen Zungen des Guten und Bösen; und was er auch redet, er lügt—und was er auch hat, gestohlen hat er's.

http://www.killian.com/earl/ThusSpokeZarathustra.html#onthenewidol

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While I agree with you, I'm not sure that excuses the modern state. 
 
Putting that sticker on a piece of public property is kind of ironic.

I mean Robin Hood was a hero stealing from the rich giving to the poor. Unfortunately US population seems to vote their gouvernments the other way round.
 
+Scott Hatch I would feel better about that book had it not been written by a prospective courtier wounded by his exclusion from the court he inveighs against. 
 
Ironic that the sign is illuminated by light provided by the state.
 
That light was provided by the people. 

edit: How dare the public use public infrastructure for public discourse!!!!
 
+Justin Barker From the Nietzsche passage above:

> Somewhere there are still peoples and herds, but not where we live, my brothers: here there are states. State? What is that? Well then, open your ears to me, for now I shall speak to you about the death of peoples.

State is the name of the coldest of all cold monsters. Coldly it tells lies too; and this lie crawls out of its mouth: I, the state, am the people. That is a lie! It was creators who created peoples and hung a faith and a love over them: thus they served life.

It is annihilators who set traps for the many and call them state: they hang a sword and a hundred appetites over them.

Where there is still a people, it does not understand the state and hates it as the evil eye and the sin against customs and rights.
 
Nietzsche certainly makes a vivid point. Is he correct though? Are things so black and white?
 
Nietzsche doesn't care so much about being correct; he's trying to be provocative. 

I think the quote on the light is correct, and that state power is illegitimate both in justification and execution. Not to steal Nietzsche's thunder (lol), but I've frequently offered my own thoughts on the topic under the tag #digitalpolitics .
 
+Daniel Estrada yes, but that is the problem with this style of Continental Philosophy. None of the terms are sufficiently tied down to be verifiable/falsifiable, and so anyone can say anything, or read into it whatever they prefer.

Which is why the Nazis managed to make use of his writings (and the perceptions of his writings in the heads/minds of other people) for their own ends. Or why this also sounds like something either Randian or Tea Party, without the proper context/background.
 
Also: Could it be that this (lying) is the defining principle of all human organization(s)?!

See here: ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-or-the-office-according-to-the-office/

"...Hugh MacLeod’s cartoon is a pitch-perfect symbol of an unorthodox school of management  based on the axiom that organizations don’t suffer pathologies; they are intrinsically pathological constructs. Idealized organizations are not perfect. They are perfectly pathological.

So while most most management literature is about striving relentlessly towards an ideal by executing organization theories completely, this school, which I’ll call the Whyte school, would recommend that you do the bare minimum organizing to prevent chaos, and then stop. Let a natural, if declawed, individualist Darwinism operate beyond that point. The result is the MacLeod hierarchy. It may be horrible, but like democracy, it is the best you can do.

The Sociopath (capitalized) layer comprises the Darwinian/Protestant Ethic will-to-power types who drive an organization to function despite itself. The Clueless layer is what Whyte called the “Organization Man,” but the archetype inhabiting the middle has evolved a good deal since Whyte wrote his book (in the fifties).  The Losers  are not social losers (as in the opposite of “cool”), but people who have struck bad bargains economically – giving up capitalist striving for steady paychecks.

...the MacLeod hierarchy and life cycle. The Sociopaths know that the only way to make an organization capable of survival is to buffer the intense chemistry between the producer-Losers and the leader-Sociopaths with enough Clueless padding in the middle to mitigate the risks of business. Without it, the company would explode like a nuclear bomb, rather than generate power steadily like a reactor. On the other hand, the business wouldn’t survive very long without enough people actually thinking in cold, calculating ways.
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Food for thought...
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