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Beef burgers contaminated with HORSE MEAT found on sale in Tesco: Four more supermarket chains withdraw products - http://bit.ly/SI7iZ7

DEBATE: Horse mince in burgers: Can we ever be sure just what we’re eating? http://bit.ly/V4a2wS

The Duchess of Cambridge's younger sister Pippa Middleton, a boar hunt and 2 eligible Belgians - http://bit.ly/SIeeFx
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Cows (and boar, apparently) are OK but horses aren't?

That's so species...ist(?)

Still, -1 to Tesco and their suppliers for poor labeling
 
For how long? No-one has ever noticed, been sick or died....I bet they all start to appear in the next 24hours though...
 
I've always wanted to try horse meat. 
S Mann
 
Whos been horsing around with the meat?!?
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+Rhonda Harvey thats not much of a consolation is it? lol. im sure traces of poo would have been found if they did the relevant tests on it.
 
I like horse meat, better than beef and a lot healthier too. Had it in France, so bring it on.
 
Horse meat can be found in most continental countries and no one gets sick from it and PS its taste is excellent!
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i think ppl are missing the point here. a 100% beef burger should be 100% beef.. not 71% beef and 29% horse meat. simple. if you want horse meat, you buy horse meat.

but agreed, no reasons to start thinking you would get sick from it. thats just stupid. you dont get sick from all the chemicals in your food do you? lol
 
A mile down the road a butcher sells Zebra, Kangeroo, Boar, Ostrich, and Antelope meat, it is choice, here choice was not given.
 
Interested why people are digusted at horse bugers when they are happy to eat other mammals.
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+Chris Thomson because it's not the norm?
Surely you wouldn't be open to trying cat or dog meat just cos you eat others mammals? Would you?
 
We all have to know what we are eating.appalled.
 
It's naughty that the wrong animal got into a beef burger. As for the rights/wrongs of eating horsemeat, living in Belgium, horsemeat is available and its tasty, lean and tender. Veulen (foal) filet is a flemish 'classic', great with a peppercorn sauce. The 'norm' is cultural +S Malik and different cultures have different norms. 
S Mann
 
+Richard Ventham true, but this story originates from the UK where its not the norm :)

 
organic is a matter of choice, morals, and lifestyle
 
+S Malik Yes, it's not the norm but my point is that maybe we are being miss guided. Maybe we don't eat horses because we see them as "living animals" and cows as "food animals". Maybe we have been desensitised to eating cows and that's why it's acceptable. 

Maybe it's not a question about why we are shocked at horse meat, but why we aren't shocked at the killing of any animal. Because now we are "Human 2.0" who understands how to survive in many different ways and also knows about the feelings of other animals, cows and horses. 
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+Chris Thomson i sort of agree with you, but such is the cycle of nature. We are mammals and primal. Just like a lion has to hunt for its prey and eat other living things, or any other carnivore, we are no different. However, I do think very often about how Humans capitalize on it and make certain 'changes' to meet a so called demand.
it upsets me too when I see hunderes of packest of food (meat) being thrown away as they have gone past thier sell by date. I would rather be in shortage and kill less animals unneccessarily than be in abundance and still see femine around us.as you said, in shortage, we understand how to survive in many different ways.
 
On the contrary Mr +S Malik. Without meat a Lion (like all cats) cannot survive, but we, as humans, are omnivores and can therefore survive without. Also, unlike Lions we have supermarkets, fresh veg markets and local shops to walk in and buy from. We aren't the same primal beings we were in the past. We have evolved past that. Before we used to rape female primates just so we could spread our seed. Some of our cousin primates even kill the children of the mother if he thinks it's from another male. We are so far past this stage when it comes to the relationships we have with other humans but we have a long way to go with the relationship with have with other animals.
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+Chris Thomson You are going to open a whole can of worms if you bring Evolution into this conversation my man! hahaha be it biological or the evolution of the mind.
As far as I know, humans are not capable of living off non meat products due to the nutrional value that we gain from being carnivores. One of the most important  being iron and the 26+ types of amino acids required for growth etc etc.

Therefore I believe that the vegetarians that we see now adays (the true vegetarians) need to take some sort of dietry supplement to compensate for the loss and these supplements are man made.. also not available at the times you have refered to in your earlier post.
 
You can argue that a vegetables like beet root is high in iron or that there are sources of protien, but then you will have to go into 'types' of protien etc and I am not qualified to talk about that!

I think there will be a time, perhaps not in our lifetime, when we do realise that eradicating life from this planet to sustain life is not the way to go. we have already depleted the earths resources to the brink. Lets hope we change
 
+S Malik Iron shouldn't be a problem. As far as the World Health Organization is concerned vegetarians and vegans are just as likely to be iron deficient as someone who eats meat. (Can't find a link for that so you can believe it if you want).

I've given blood years since turning vegan and you have to do a little iron test which I've always passed. I think the place where they have iron problems most is in third world countries. As far as I'm aware, if you have a good diet, whether with meat or not, you will be ok.

The only nutrition I know that is hard to find is B12 but that can be found added to soymilks and other things.

Just wondering, if someone has to take supplements, what is wrong with that?
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+Chris Thomson Nothing wrong with taking supplements, but its not  'natural' or as intended by nature. its man made and only very recently are we able to resource this in the form of supplements.  if you get what I mean. As an example, you get protien shakes etc for body builders, but it can really never properly replace the natural source of protien from what we eat. im not a biologist or an evolutionist, but im speaking from my general knowledge.
So take what im saying with a pinch of salt :)

but as I said, I dont believe humans were designed to be vegans. that would be a choice.the evidence would be our teeth, the canines, which are built for purpose to rip flesh. so as mentioned, I think turning vegan is more of a choice for humans and i believe that consuming other live animals is just part of intended nature.
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p.s your vegan breakfast looks delicious!!
 
+S Malik I like evolution even though I've never studied it, but as far as I know, humans were never "designed". That's what someone who believes in god says :) Humans evolved from random mistake after random mistake. :)

When I was talking about evolution before I was mostly just meaning about our behaviour. But when you said we haven't evolved to eat meat, I think we should take a closer look at our teeth. They aren't as equipped as a dogs. Our jaws are also a lot different to dogs (who are carnivors but some say they can survive on veg). A dogs jaw moves up and down only. Our jaw (much like a cows) will move up and down & left and right (for grinding). 

Sometimes I worry about if something is natrual or not, and then sometimes I don't. I mean, look around. What around you now is natrual? Your sleeping habbit? The food you eat? The toothpaste that you clean your teeth with? Or you could look at it like, it's natural for an empathetic person to care about a sentient being by taking small, but un-natural steps to keep it from harm. 
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I think I am walking futher away from my realms of expertise and dont want to make false claims as I dont know enough. But i do feel you are taking my words a bit too literally when I use the words 'designed'. no one can say what happened millions of years ago and what the first person to walk the earth had for thier first meal ;-)

Our jaw etc differs to all mamals so not sure what your point is there. Most monkeys/apes (who we have supposedly evolved from) are herbivores but they still have sharp teeth. but then again, a species of monkey/ape from Malaysia only eats meat. So the argument can go both ways.

I think we should leave it as agreeing that humans are a weight on this planet with thier ways and we can sustain life in a better fashion than we do now :)
how about that? 
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