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Voters will be given the chance to leave the European Union by the end of 2017, David Cameron will say today.
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Finally someone with a backbone. I might even vote for him now😳!
 
This is what was promised 3 years ago, and dropped 6 months before the general election. I joined UKIP this month, tired of a lifetime of the same old lies working minimum wage for a degree level job in Euro fantasy land. I decided if you want something doing right, do it yourself and get involved.
 
It angers me and the worst thing about it is 90% of them are the same, Liers and no guts. I am just hoping UKIP get the votes!
 
Why wait? Or isthis another election pledge that can be dropped? In four years time we could be sucked into the EU abyss.
 
I could have sworn he used this trick to win votes before. A liar like most of them! 
 
+Andy Moore he doesn't have a back bone. If he had one he'd hold a referendum before the 2015 general election. The only reason he said 2017 is so people vote for him. Trust this man at your peril
 
+Lisa Barducci since being in the EU. We have better employment laws, certain things have become cheaper. My main problem is the freedom of Europe for anyone with an EU passport, which is why it's so difficult to get work in a factory or cleaning position as they're now majority filled by foreign workers. Which is why there's so many people out of work. Another problem is we're broke, and we still have to get billions of £'s in loans to bail out other countries. I'm still on the fence. The people of this country need unbiased professional opinions of the advantages and disadvantages of staying in the EU. You can't listen to the media as they're all politically biased.
 
The only politicians who are pro-EU are ones who hope to get something out of it. No one believes in it out of any conviction. We were dragged into it with lies and have been lied to ever since. When we last voted to join we were assured that there were 'no plans' for political union by the politicians who dragged us in but who we know know were aware that this was a long term aim of Brussels.

The only argument they can level at EU-sceptics is to call them xenophobic little-Englanders, whilst dragging us by stealth into an EU superstate - one that looks increasingly to be undemocratic.

These Eurocrats have some pretty horrible plans that occasionally is leaked to the press and are then quashed as 'nonsense' like the proposed new 'regions' which links England's south coast with the north coast of France in an attempt to destroy regional identity. They keep quiet about these until they have enough power to impose them without our say-so.

The red-tape they impose on us is stifling trade with other parts of the world and is the tip of the iceberg. The more familiar I get the more convinced we should have nothing to do with this authoritarian institution.

For a better view you should listen to Daniel Hannan, an MEP who campaigns for his ultimate redundancy.
 
Re HAWK KERO
Muslims = Christians
Same God, same treatment of unbelievers, Heretics
Different language, newer book, similar foreign source.
Same treatment of slaves.
Same Women's rights.
Same treatment of difference.
Same promises.
Charity obligatory for Muslims, optional for Christians
Islam has a better reputation with sex crimes against children after the fall of Constantinople, Catholics - constant heinous exploitation, Anglican church used British orphans as slave labour in Australia - turned the other cheek with corporate slavery in America even when UK subjects were made slaves of.
Personally I would be happy to put them all in a pit fight and let them get on with it. Proof denies faith, too many sects each claiming they are the 'True' faith chosen by God. Prove God exists, and that yours is the one true faith before you are allowed to practice it in the UK. Buddisum (our term not theirs) has the advantage for belief is not necessary.
 
Re Hawk Kero
The Koran is as much fake as the Bible, the Bible was written 300 years after the death of Christ, the Koran after the death of Mohammed and all his family. Which means because both originators were dead, it was followers who wrote the 'Holy' books, most of which were secularists, politically funded and used the resulting work to purge the world of opposition including heathens. Like all works they promote a point of view, which is biased and entirely promotes the society of the time by legitimizing its culture.

Do you really want to live in the Culture of the Middle East of 1600 years to 2000 years ago and never be able to leave ?

What you do with that point of view depends upon the person. It does not define you, that is why we have secular laws. Britain until Henry VIII had cannon laws as well, it was the Church's corruption which ended the practice. We no longer allow murderers, rapists and thieves to escape justice by entering a monastery, we give them short sentences and parole them. Sharia law would have essential bits cut off, including the head. Some people would favor Islam - especially victims, lawful vengeance and heavenly redemption in the brotherhood.         
 
+HAWK KERO One thing is that we've moved on from the god bit. That's why we have a country everybody comes to. Th only people here that 'want saving' are those still hung up on one religion or other - whether it's some old man in the sky or the State. The rest of us are doing fine - that is if these others will let us be.
 
Re Hawk Hero

As a Humanist I have as much a problem with Christians as Muslims who are people who judge and act on their faith not ethics and morality. I have a similar prejudice against those who only do what is legal, rather than what is right or wrong. And as for saving the UK from foreign imported faiths, all well and good. Christianity can walk out of the door as well so we can return to wickan.

It is however possible to find good Christians and Muslims as well as bad ones. 
 
Re HAWK HERO
I read, I understand, but I do not share the fear. They are all alike, my problem is that you, a Christian fundamentalist do not understand that here your outdated belief system has caused all the deaths due to religious wars in the UK. Islam like Christianity should be banned. I favor and fear not one over the other. Our 1641 civil war and most of the ones until 1795 were faith wars between Christians. 
 
Re HAWK HERO

Christianity was based upon persecution of those Jews who would not accept the new faith, or more faithfully Christians are a persecuted Jewish sect which abandoned its home then used its status in the Roman Empire to persecute its persecutor for the next 2000 years - Including the last Catholic purge in 1939.

The Council of Nicea in AD 325 allowed the Eastern Roman Empire to force one version of Christianity upon Europe, Christianity - The Roman Catholic version with the trinity, where murder is a sin held no quarms about forceful conversion and execution of official heretics, with the proclamation of Constantine that those who did not accept the ruling of the council were to be put to death - so it is actual law and this because it was a Jewish sect means literally the Torah is also banned.

Declaring a nation as barbarians and  was also normal practice forced upon Ireland and the British church in Iona, the two native churches in the British Isles where they were declared Heretic sects. Conversion was as much forced as political, the Catholic Church had full coffers to get the ears of the Nations Kings. One nation under God.

So I will repeat, I am in favour of getting all faiths banned. Islam is as legal as Christianity, but legal is not right or wrong. Faiths are an unsubtle form of social control which rewards a believer for a life of exploitation with a promise of redemption without proof. 
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