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Those against Invisible Children and the Kony 2012 movement

In the last 24 hours a video made by the organization Invisible Children has gone viral. It has been shared across the internet, even by me. Afters its release there has been a series of blog posts that are attempting to attack the video and the organization. Sadly most of those I see making outlandish comments have ZERO experience in a.) working in a 3rd world country or b.) have never worked or ran an NGO before. As usual, I can't just keep my mouth shut....

UPDATE
As more information has been coming out about Invisible Children and this video, I have been doing my own research and calling my own contacts in Africa. Needless to say, IC is not the most liked organization in Africa and specifically Uganda at the moment. They still do good things, but there is a lot that go against my personal beliefs in what is the best way to effect change and make a difference. Here is an article that touches of many of these points that have been brought to my attention in the last 7 days:

http://www.misr.mak.ac.ug/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=186%3Aadam-branch-on-invisible-children&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=50

Here is the link to the video in question: KONY 2012
KONY 2012

Here is one of the articles in opposition:
http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/

UPDATE
Here is Invisible Children's response to these criticisms:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/www.invisiblechildren.com/critiques.html

Here is a break down of the articles main points in opposition of IC and my responses. IC = Invisible Children for this post.

- IC only gives 32% to direct services

This translates to cash on the ground. One thing that most people do not realize or want to accept is that there are multiple different types of NGOs out there. There are those that focus on work on the ground for providing care, education, food and medical services and then there are those like IC. IC purpose is to effect change through movement. That is their power. They survive on viral marketing of their cause. So this means that where their finances are concerned, more money will be spent on movies like this, marketing campaigns and even staff salary to make it all happen, then providing direct services to those in Uganda and other parts of Africa. Both have a place in the humanitarian world. I have an organization I founded called "Lespwa Haiti" thats sole purpose was to provide free professional media for small local haitian organizations on the ground, allowing them to reach more donors and raise more money by having images and video that move people. Its all part of what is needed out there.

- Support for Military Intervention

While a touchy subject the article might be right, although it is not black and white but rather shades of gray. The reality is that humanity as a whole does not understand pacifism. Some times action is needed and rarely ( but sometimes) it is the only solution. The key is to make it about empowering the local people rather then fighting wars for them. Creating a cycle of dependance on NGO aid is a HUGE HUGE issue in the world. I always say "IDP camps are temporary solutions that turn into permanent problems". People have a right to oppose war, but if those same people think that action can not sometimes be beneficial and or required, they are living in a utopian dream world that does not exist. Yes there are other Kony's out there, but the world is a better place without Hitler, regardless if Stalin and his like rose up after his passing.

- Manipulating facts for film making purposes

Again, another touchy subject. Yes, I would love to live in a world where I could post something on Google+ about the plight of kids in Nepal, Rhinos being slaughtered in Africa and genocide in the Congo and have people stand up with me to help fight for these causes, but it doesn't work like that. We live in an "instant" world with instant coffee, instant messaging and others. Peoples attention spans are nano seconds these days. No one in the NGO world likes to tell a story in a way that grabs peoples attention when they have to create it in such a way, but it is reality. The frustration of screaming from the top of your lungs for help and having no one come is a good analogy. Viral helps movements that will in-turn help enact change. IC is about story telling and building a movement for people that had no voice. That is their purpose first and for most.

UPDATE - I was not saying it is ok to lie. I was more so pointing to the fact that this is a documentary that is meant to invoke emotion..to get people talking. They did not misrepresent facts, but put together this movie in a way that grabbed your attention. From here, do your own research and make up your own mind.

- Supporting the Uganda Military

When you work in a country like Uganda you have to make tough choices. When no one is listening to your cries for help, you sometimes have to do the best with what you have. This is certainly something that NEEDS looking into, but again the world is not always black and white. It would be nice to say...these are the good guys and these are the bad guys. But the world is not clean cut, since everyone is coming from a different prospective. Maybe there was no other options. Having worked mostly in 3rd world countries, I can tell you that I have had to pay many people off to do anything about anything. Not a fun situation, but reality. Seeing children starving to death in person changes you. You will never be the same. At times you will do what you feel is needed to change the situation.

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So there you have it. They are not perfect and they are not an organization for everyone. But it is hard to not get worked up when I see people make outlandish statements based on other peoples opinions without ever having had any experience working in the NGO world. Its a rough place to work, both physically and emotionally and often times your only option to help is to make the choice between the lesser of two evils. Utopia does not exist. Humanity destroyed it long ago....

UPDATE
Here is a video from the Northern Ugandan woman that originally told IC about Kony back in 2003 directed that those criticizing the movement. She was a sex slave and child soldier at one point under Kony.
To Critics of KONY 2012

Ultimately you need to make up your own mind. I have gone back and forth but ultimately decided not to promote or help finance Kony 2012 any longer. IC still does good work, but I don't agree with many of their tactics that have been brought to light.
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Great words. No much to say or write.
 
A sad but true end to a great piece. the video is awesome the cause highlighted wonderfully. The use of his son is very powerful and have often thought that highlighting the fact that someone so young knows the right answer should surely mean we do also..If only.
 
One article I read states Kony "Has been week and in hiding" since 2006. Then why has the TRL been accredited for almost a dozen attacks in the Congo and nearby regions in the last 6 years?

The same article argues That Kony is no longer in Uganda which the film makers actually stated in the article. Many of the sources crying foul have been light on the evidence.

It's good to question those around you, but we are talking about human lives, little girls and boys who to this day are slaves to a over zealous warlord. Even if this is a "scam" the message is real - these kids need help!
 
Well put Colby.

And yes, it always amazes me when people doesnt grasp that even good causes and the people working with those causes need a. an income to be sustainable and b. the things they do doesnt get less good by them trying to have a life as good as possible.

and c. the world as you put it isnt black and white and helping a change happen isnt always as easy as it look from the outside. Nor is one sided solutions like pouring money only at an issue a good longterm way to cause a change.

ic might not be perfect (i have no opinion on that) but they atleast try to do something good - which i assume most critics dont do and trying to do something good is worth alot in my book even if everything isnt perfect or the people (but who is).
 
+Colby Brown the amount of people who I have discussed this with over the course of the last 24 hours is astronomical. This post has spelled out my thoughts exactly. I think the important thing to remember in all this is the message.

Regardless of whether the charity is deemed moral/legitimate by the entire population nobody can deny that the story of the LRA and Joseph Kony has not been shared and projected to audiences that would normally turn a blind eye to this.

As an organisation working to create a movement I would say IC have wholeheartedly completed their brief. I just hope this means that Kony will be unable to cause any more damage and heart ache to the people of sub-saharan Africa and will be brought to justice as soon as possible.
 
Strange.... I thought I commented on your OP +Colby Brown. I guess not.
I'll try to summarize what I posted on what I guess was a share.....

As Colby can tell you, I'm always questioning the financials of charitable organizations. That concern comes from being a huge supporter (15+ years) of charities and also being an auditor of a few of them over the years.
With that being said, before I shared the post I checked into the credibility of this organizations. In my opinion it is one of the more Transparent organizations. They have pretty good ratings and one thing that I found quite refreshing is that they post their yearly compensation of each of the charities staff. They also post a financial statement each year.
Here is the link to those financial statements.
http://www.invisiblechildren.com/financials
 
This was so well articulated that I shared a link to your post with the +Invisible Children wall on Facebook. I hope they use your fair analysis to address confusion on the topic and further promote the success of this important movement.
Bao Ngo
 
Great counter points! Let's end this war.
 
Good stuff, +Colby Brown! Thanks for the breakdown. Like you said, so often, the people speaking out against something are people so distanced from the situation that they barely have any perspective at all. All just hearsay and conjecture. Too many people love to throw stones at the people trying to make a difference, while not doing anything themselves. As far as I'm concerned, if there's someone out there trying to make a difference, and you don't think they're doing the best job, you can either:

A) Help them do better.
B) Do a better job yourself.
or
C) Shut up.
 
It's sad about these kids... We must as people stop these things happing... It's all greed and power.. It must stop and it must be now!
 
can u please give tip on how to be a photogapher preety please
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+Colby Brown I respect all that you stand for. It's a refreshing perspective of a very not-so-refreshing subject. In a stream full of pictures and stories of a mostly beautiful world, which Google+ is great for, there is a dark reality that goes unheard and ignored. Please keep fighting and sharing these stories with us. They need to be heard. Although I may have heard the Kony name, it didn't leave a lasting impression until I watched the video you shared.
 
It does suck that important causes have to work in a frame of marketing to try to make what should be hugely important to everyone out to be in the attention of people who'd rather just play video games all day, and then get criticized for it. Like when I talk about the way civilization has and still is impending upon indigenous peoples, and then I'm told that because I use a computer I'm a hypocrite for saying it... like I'm supposed to get awareness to my cause by a sandwich board only. The analogy I use is that it feels like I'm screaming fire in a burning building and then having a bunch of people vehemently criticize the way I said it (or the fact I even said it) instead of getting their dumbasses out of the damned building!
 
I can't thank you enough for your post +Colby Brown It rocks me to the core to know that this is going on and I've felt powerless for such a long time. Through this movement, I feel as though we can have a positive impact. I've been sharing the info all day and I'm thinking of what I can do next.
 
This is great +Colby Brown , after I had shared a post earlier about KONY 2012 I started to see the opposition and began wondering if I was bamboozled by an emotionally compelling video without knowing the facts. Before reading this I had looked at the financials for Invisible Children Inc. and found a lot of the negative information against the not for profit to be misleading. I personally cannot stand when people try to make an argument by saying something is fact and think that it's more factual by putting a link with it (when that link takes me to a blog I give it absolutely no credit whatsoever). Additionally, I saw more and more misleading information within the referenced material.
Hey, I'm all for people being critical and not taking things at face value, but those neysayers shouldn't warn other people about taking things at face value then expect them to take their own counter-argument at face value. I applaud you for sharing your arguments here and within those posts. While I admittedly do not have all of the information, I can certainly say that so far the arguments I've seen against Invisible Children are poor at best with no factual merit behind it. I find no harm in bringing about awareness of human rights violations and am not sure why some people are so against that.
 
I hope it is ok, but I also shared your comment over on Facebook as I have people responding to me sharing the Kony 2012 video. Your response is much better than I could write. I gave you full credit.
 
I have to say that though I was moved by the movie (and fully intend to do my part - having ordered the kit) but the fact that the kids in the movie referred to Joseph Kony and his army as "the rebels" set off my sceptic flags. What are they rebelling against? Usually when one rebels, one has a reason to do so. And of course, that begs the the question - how do you know that what you're being told about Joseph Kony is not propaganda created by whoever he's rebelling against?
 
I'm sharing this with everyone who criticized me for supporting FW and IC.. Thank you!
 
+Darryl Wright - I can promise you that he is as evil as they come, not just in Uganda but many African countries. The stories are true. The Uganda government is certainly corrupt, but that doesn't change the way he operates.
 
+Darryl Wright According to Wikipedia Kony is head of the Lord's Resistance Army (LRA), a group engaged in a violent campaign to establish theocratic government based on the Ten Commandments throughout Uganda.[1] The LRA say that God has sent spirits to communicate this mission directly to Kony.[5]

He and his followers became known as rebels when some of his followers left the Uganda People's Democratic Army to join his movement.

Edited to add the direct link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Kony
 
I find it oddly hilarious that your section titled "Manipulating facts for film making purposes" literally said nothing about manipulating facts for film making purposes.
 
Having now read the criticisms I think it's entirely possible that they're all valid but entirely beside the point. At the end of the day, the world will be a better place for the lack of one Joseph Kony and even if this 'advocacy campaign' is not the best approach to resolving conflict - if it saves a single innocent life, it's worth it.
 
I agree Darryl. There is this tendency today to distract and detract from finding a resolution that I find fascinating.
 
+Cathy McNair I am a huge supporter of the contrarians among us (and often I'm one of them) - I think it's extremely important to think critically about any movement - especially one seemingly advocating the death of a human being. As Christopher Hitchens said, "don't take refuge in the false security of consensus". That said, I think in this case that if the result is to stop the sort of atrocities Joseph Kony is responsible for than certainly even a misguided or questionable approach is better than none at all.
 
yes +Raphael Wohl , I am so happy that our last adventures in the middle east caused our fuel prices to drop dramatically. Good input.
 
Good thoughts here +Colby Brown! Thanks for taking the time to put them down and sharing!
 
Fuck all the haters. The strong will survive. Every decision involving children is a decision about EVERYONE'S FUTURE. They should look up how much other "charities" are spending on themselves.
 
Excellent writing +Colby Brown could I just add NGO = Non Government Organisation, for those that don't know.
 
better comment - the video was very inspiring. Makes me wish I did more with my life, makes me think I still can.
 
I remembering watching this in 6th grade. Very inspiring
 
I am doing what I can, and I am asking my local radio if they can do a PSA.
 
Any conversation about this - positive or negative - is bringing the cause to the attention of a greater audience. There's not one argument from anyone that what invisible children are doing is bad. Let the debate continue I say, if it keeps people talking about the bad stuff going on and giving it more attention.
 
Regardless of the intentions of the organization, kony must be stopped. If you don't trust them don't donate. Just spread the word
 
KONY 2012
I HAVE MANY AFRICAN FRIENDS FROM DIFFERENT TRIBES, & IT WAS SO GREAT WHEN THEY ALL CAME OVER W/ THE KEYBOARD & 2 SING HOLY SONGS.
 
good point, Daylan - I don't think anyone who harshes the delivery disagrees with the intent. The video is about making Kony famous, right? Well, even the critics know him better now.
 
I've done some research on the organization and yea they don't donate a lot of their profits, but they are THE ONLY organization at this point that is doing anything at all about this problem, everyone who's seen the video knows that kony needs to be stopped. If you have a problem with the way they run things then don't donate, but honestly at least they are trying to do something at all. Just because the organization isn't something you approve of doesn't mean that what they fight against is okay by any means. We should be fighting to stop kony, spread the word about a kidnapper/murderer/rapist not about the fact that the only organization trying to stop him isnt spending all the money the way they should. yea they should be using more of it for the fight against this, but awareness is key and guess what, that probably where the money is going. to help raise awareness... quit being synical and start caring a little bit more about someone other than your wallet
 
The Kony movie is a beautiful piece of propaganda. Very well made and gets the job done. I do not find it disingenuous, and I think they wear the fact that it is propaganda on their sleeve. The whole point of the film is to create awareness in the hope that awareness leads to resolution. What is really appealing about their propaganda is that it is very well planned out, and they show us what they want to do and how they are going to go about doing it. Part of the intrigue with is to see if this will actually work. Can general awareness and concern through a media campaign actually obtain results in a foreign land? Fascinating.
People in central Africa (especially in the DR Congo) are suffering in ways we cannot fully comprehend, and there are many sources of the suffering, not just the LRA. This is a very complex part of the world that is very fragile economically and politically. However, the presence of other militia groups and unstable governments shouldn't be used as reasons to disregard the LRA. I personally think people should have the right to rise up against their government and/or conduct civil war without intervention by foreign countries. However, if you study the LRA they have crossed every possible line of humanity and do not deserve the status of "freedom fighters". If we take the stance that they are just an "Africa problem, let them sort it out" then we are missing the point of the film. They haven't been sorted out in over 20 years of trying, and have been perpetrating every conceivable violation. Eliminating them will not solve all the issues of central Africa, but it would be huge. HUGE.
My impression is that the three founders of Invisible Children were personally impacted by the people they met while travelling in Uganda. This compelled them to do something about it, to try to help. (Several members of my immediate family have also travelled in central Africa and they too returned compelled to do something) The founders of IC felt what has been done by the central African governments and first world governments haven't been enough. 20+ years of Kony bringing terror down upon the people. Whatever the world has done or hasn't done hasn't been enough. So the filmmakers are trying to do something. I respect them for that.
 
I dont care if they keep 100% of the profits at this point... so long as Kony goes down. After that is done, then we can sling hash.
 
Whether or not one is so inclined to support this specific charitable organization (or regardless of the reputation/controversy of the organization) I believe that the actual awareness of the situation is important. As far as I'm concerned, what this man is doing is just as terrible as Hitler or Hussein.
Somehow, he needs to be stopped. The first step is awareness.
 
i actually strongly disagree that a do good organization needs to donate most of their income.

Aslong as they do good the ones doing the good should be allowed a decent life,food and living for all the hard work and time they do put in trying to better the world day in, day out.

And any organization that is going to be sustainable (and if they arent they wont do much good) needs money for all their expenses too.

Of course if a do good organization recieves alot of money and hardly pay anything to charity/improving the situation they claim to try and help then we should question them. But any organization that gives 10-30% of their profit while also spending their working days and products/efforts on doing something real and good is certainly doing what they should (which is not to say that alot of corruption doesnt exist).
 
I shared the movie and an article (written by somebody who was in Uganda) that's kind of critical of the organisation. It's a very difficult situation, hugely complex and very difficult to understand fully as there are so many different sides to it. I do however fully support putting an end to Kony and his army, of course I do. My main fear is that if that happens Uganda will be forgotten about by the masses. A job done sort of attitude and then what happens? What happens to the army that's known to rape and loot too that has received extra money/weapons etc? It's not simple, and this video campaign isn't perfect but it is a start.
 
I read this after +Wil Wheaton's post on tumblr, and now I'm wondering what the heck is going on.

Time to research this thing myself I guess ;)
Sam Lu
 
This made me so fucking sad..
And pissed..
 
I remember when I seen "Lord of War" with Nic Cage (was that the name of it?) and learned for the first time about this kind of stuff and since that day I have dreamt inwardly of whisking every suffering African away and transplanting them here in Canada and USA. We have surplus land by the mega load. Some argue we dont but look around at the huge yards and green space around highways, etc. We could do so much for these people but we dont. My heart has ached for ages now and this drives the stake deeper.
 
So, to clarify:

1) Invisible Children's primary purpose is its own continuity and publicity, and the payment of its staff, for which it expends nearly 70% of the money it gathers. That 70% is used to increase awareness, increasing the money Invisible Children gets, and so on. The actual concrete benefits of this to the children are a negligible side effect(30%), and that's fine.

2) Supporting violence is ok so long as the people you are supporting are slightly less horrifically brutal than the people you are opposed to.

3) It's cool to exaggerate and twist the truth, because that way people give more money, and so you can make more inaccurate movies.
 
Thanks Colby. So often people let the perfect become the enemy of the good. And getting attention onto this problem is most definitely a good. Many of these same thoughts occurred to me when reading that tumblr post; you articulated it much more effectively than I ever could have.
 
+Graeme Caldwell , with the exception of some, I think that most of the people are not condoning the violence. Sure, there are some that want to "Kill Kony", However, I believe many (non-violent people) would be satisfied with his arrest. The video in question never condones an violent end to Kony.
There are people (such as myself) who do not rejoice over, or condone the death of others. I did not celebrate the death of Hussein, nor did I celebrate the death of Bin Laden. However, the world is better without people like them, or Hitler, or Kony. Justice has to be found. I'd rather see him imprisoned than killed myself.
 
+Jennifer Nace I'm not a pacifist. Having heard of the things Kony is responsible for, I'd welcome his non-existence in whatever form that takes. I am not at all comfortable though with funding or aiding corrupt and brutal institutions in order to pursue that aim. The enemy of my enemy is not always a good friend, and the end does not always justify the means.
 
But what about the kids in our country? The homeless, abused, forgotten children?
 
+Graeme Caldwell - Than you must mean the need for US or EU involvement in his capture or arrest. That will NEVER happen. As I said in my post, the lesser of two evils is sometimes the ONLY option when working in 3rd world countries.
 
+Queen Elisheba What about them? It's not like there isn't enough money sloshing around to take care of both problems if the political will exists.
 
+Colby Brown That logic did not work out well for us in Afghanistan when we were funding the mujaheddin to fight the Soviets.
 
(Almost) Invisible Children...The Abandoned Overseas Children of American Servicemen!!! How often are they mentioned in the American Media??? I was one in Australia during 1944 and I wouldn't call the actions of the US Government "benign neglect"!!
 
+Graeme Caldwell Thank you for being a voice of reason.

http://quitenormal.wordpress.com/2011/10/16/oil-and-soros-interests-in-obamas-dispatching-of-troops-to-uganda/

George Soros Funded the Video and Invisible Children to take control of the Oil Fields.
http://kleinonline.wnd.com/2011/10/15/212-4/

Wall Street Journal ONE WEEK AGO, Ugandan Oil worth Billions!
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20120228-707926.html

Uganda's RECENTLY DISCOVERED Oil Bonanza from BBC
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15645354

Thanks to my unbelievable geography professor, Mr Bill Courter, I have been well aware of what Kony has been up to for as long as he has and thanks to another great professor I have been aware of what Invisible Children has been up to. Which is precisely why I found it incredibly strange when this whole KONY2012 business suddenly popped up. I don't believe in coincidences.
 
Hi Colby. I would like to share your post on my wall. Thank you for the insight.
 
I so agree with you. Anytime someone moves closer to understanding the tragedies that are taking place around the world, that's a good thing. Awareness is a good thing, don't really care when you found it, I'm just happy that you found it. The "bandwagon of peace"- is actually one that MORE people should jump on! The whole point of the film is to create awareness in the hope that awareness leads to resolution. I love that thought, regardless!
 
Then wouldn't you just tell people watch the movie but don't give them your money?
 
I know how you feel and I felt the same way, but I found it was better for me to choose to focus on the positive of this video, while still knowing that everything isn't always Black & and white. And I love opinions, especially because so many of you have many different experiences than me :)
 
I am doing personal research on him but not everything on the internet can be trust. And though I've watched the video I kind of want more coverage on it from a different angle ya know? Like you don't just want one person to give you some facts and some knowledge and only that one person because if it's wrong then you feel ignorant and stupid and pathetic for believing it. Now I'm not taking sides and I hope everyone got that from my two post, I just want to know that in the end the decision I make I can live with and support. So I am going to do research and find out as much as I can but again even the internet can only get me so far with a man even the government can't find :(
 
The irony of most of the opposition, which certainly does have some merit behind its anti "Kony 2012", is that very few, if any have ANY experience in Uganda, let alone working for, with or running an NGO. The Tumblr page that is referenced is from someone who has no experience on the ground. Other posts by people that have worked in Africa or Uganda do not do NGO work. The NGO world is a HUGE mess and full of corruption on so many levels. However good things still get done. Sometimes you must choose the lesser of two evils to fight a situation. Sometimes you have to approach an issue from a different angle because otherwise no one cares. There are a lot of factors out there. I know IC and they are a solid organization. Perfect? Heck no? Do I agree with everything they do? No. Does that matter? Not to me. The point of Kony 2012 is MUCH MUCH more then just the removal of this man. It is about the ability to effect change through having a voice being heard. People can complain all the want about IC, but that doesn't change the fact that we are all talking about it, which is EXACTLY the point :)
 
well thank you very much for that insight :3 I appreciate it very much
 
I recently heard of IC and began doing some independent research, I find it interesting that Saddam Hussien was treating the Kurds much like Kony and many other African leaders treat their people, but when the U.S. went to war in 2003 there was massive opposition. Interestingly, some of the same major contributors to the Anti-War movement for Iraq are the same people urging war in Uganda, i have to ask why? Then i look at a place like Somalia, those people are starving and dying every day, but they are resistant to help, they refuse to organize and over throw their leaders, the US and NATO have been on the ground there and every time we took out a corrupted leader the so called "good-guys" a.k.a "leaders of the resistance" stepped right in and took the "bad-guys" place. Until the people decide to organize for the betterment of the entire population, nothing will help, no matter how many viral video's are posted no matter what kind of military intervention takes place, chaos will reign. I have been to third world countries first as a humanitarian then as a Soldier, i know the terrible things that are happening, there are US personnel on the ground there providing military leadership and training, there are State Department personnel there providing funding to raise up new government to liberate the people, but greed and cruelty is part of their life and they as a people are unable to get away from it.You mentioned the money that actually makes it to Africa from IC is going to supporting the UPDF, that is a shame in my opinion, you can read horror story after horror story of the UPDF going into villages and raping and killing women and children and then robbing the homes of the survivors. So what is the IC truly doing, trying to pick between the lesser of the two evils with Kony on one end and the UPDF on the other? Because history will tell us that never works out well, i.e Afghanistan, Somalia, and numerous other countries where people tried to pick the lesser of the two evils and it ends up getting more people killed in the long run.So what is the end goal of the IC? Remove evil from the world? It can't happen.The true key to Africa's release form this horrible cycle of killing that has been going on for all of modern history, is organization, the people must unite and fight the forces of tyranny and evil. I do believe other governments should send aid when the time comes, but a governments foremost responsibility id the protection of its citizens and the security of its future. As a politician i could never send American Soldiers to die for and cause but to defend the freedom of the American People. The Ugandan Government has been linked to terrorism for decades, and now because of a viral video, the United States Government is supposed to come to their aid? The world is much more complicated on the government scale than "oh something is terrible is happening over there, we should do something",as i said before, governments have only two primary responsibilities, protection of its citizens and securing its future. I commend you for the work you have done for NGO and the self sacrifice you have made for the betterment of man kind and i can only hope that our generation will see a day when people do not have to live in fear.
 
I believe American's may do what they please to help. Most importantly donate money. But I do not want to see U.S. military involvement nor U.S. government funding. It will get us nowhere but in further debit and more American lifes lost.
 
I respect your opinion, but I completely disagree. As the founder of a flourishing 501(c)3 profit (http://zoommobility.org/), I realize that, on the contrary to what you are saying, Invisible Children makes people feel that they have experienced their yearly dose of altruism by posting a video. Activism is okay but it pales in comparison to action. Invisible Children has the right ideas but the wrong methods. I love popular culture, and I love nonprofits. Their interplay is good but only at the point where the original message is still being furthered. I feel like, at this point, Invisible Children has jumped the shark. With that being said, the situation in Uganda is obviously bad, and Invisible Children is helping. But it does not and should not have a monopoly on altruism.

Forgive my "outlandish comment".
 
US doesn't really want to intervene because it is not a very important matter. No free oil, I guess.
 
.......wow.....I appreciate this too. Thank you.
 
You are speaking of a cultural issue +Vinay Viswanathan, not one to do with Invisible Children. They have managed to find a way to get their cause heard and spread, that is not a negative. Of course there needs to be action associated but IC is not an "action" based NGO, they are an advocacy one. There is a huge difference.

Your link to your NGO has one post and no new info in the last 8 months. That too is a problem with championing your cause.
 
saying someone has zero experience is vey different from saying they're wrong. You admit the statements have merit, so the best you can do is claim the 'bad' facts aren't relevant, which can be valid. However, in this case, they seem quite relevant... e.g. If telling the truth isn't compelling, you don't convince people to act by layering on lies/misdirection.
 
In a world where there are literally thousands of charities, Invisible Children has a lit if question marks. They've refused independent audits and they self-report only 32% of donations as actually hitting the ground. Why would you give funds to them as opposed to a more efficient and less shady organization? Especially one that doesn't distort the truth?
 
To me the primary call of the video was for participation in raising awareness. I did not take it as a plea for money, though the donation information was provided. I applaud the effort, even if it might be flawed.
 
the kony 2012 project is the best thing that has ever happened through the internet and noone can deny it those who do deserve to be called every bad name under the sun!!! these children finally have the hope they have been looking for for the past 26 years dont ruin it for them! if u cant do it for the african children think again think if one of ur own kids had to go through this.... wouldnt u do everything that you could not stoping at anything to save them to stop what was being done to them? think of every kid in uganda in africa entirely as your own child and then see how you feel about the things they are doing
 
Go KONY 2012... Put him and everyone like him away for good!!
 
+Brendan Dillon First off you need to get your facts straight. There are many different types of NGO organizations out there. Two the main kinds are action/support and advocacy groups. Action/support organizations focus on providing support on the ground. Advocacy groups focus on raising awareness for issues at hand. Invisible children is an advocacy group meaning that their sole purpose is to raise awareness for a cause. The fact that they spend 32% of their revenue on the ground is actually quite high. Most of their money goes towards creating campaigns such as this video that helps spread the word to let people know about what is happened in Uganda.

If you actually do the research with the various different NGO verification websites you will find that the finances for invisible children is actually rated very high. They're very open about what they use their money for which is something you cannot say about many other organizations out there.

As for distorting the truth that is not accurate either. Nothing they said in this video is false but rather they created a documentary in order to provoke emotion. The sole purpose of the video was to get people talking which obviously is working considering this conversation and thousands like it across the Internet.

As for small NGO organizations I agree there are thousands out there that are worthy for one the money. However there's a distinct difference between invisible children in the small organizations in the sense that these small organizations do not have the ability to have their cause heard by millions of people. You do not have to donate to invisible children in order to spread the word about Joseph Kony. Personally I always support small organizations and do not contribute money to invisible children. I do however agree with their cause and will continue to help spread the word about what they're doing because most people have no idea who Joseph Kony is in the first place let alone where Uganda is on the world map.
 
Considering the aims of the campaign - all news is good news. Who was talking about Uganda yesterday?
 
You have to expect this kind of backlash from people who start their days trusting Fox News or Rush Limbaugh. Both of those dens of commentary will distort for impact.
 
+JUAN PEREZ III In nobody I trust. I filter, consider, and mostly discard. I learned that behaviour after several years working inside Pentagon and NATO Watch Desks.
 
How about we help our country by finishing up in Iraq then tell the military to go find kony for free and Not go on payed due to there getting payed by taxes ??????
 
I find it funny when we as a people mistake commercialism for humanitarianism. They call them "Invisible Children" as if they were unseen before THEY saw them. Just a bunch of pompous assholes makings a profit off thousands of deaths. But go ahead and support it. Support an organization that is all for the Uganda Government, when the Government itself has killed close to the same amount of Acholi people. Also, for the past 5 years the violence has stopped. This propaganda is just going to bring all the fighting back.
 
I find it funny when people make assumptions based on information they find on the internet when they do not have any first hand experience with NGOs, humanitarian work or Africa. To each their own though +Nick Ervin . Say what you want, but very little people knew or cared about Uganda before videos like this come by. Spreading awareness is part of the fight, regardless if you do not like how they do it.
 
+Leo Pecina Jr. Basically, you're saying that you can look at those traumatized, hunted, and tortured kids in the eye and say "Sorry. My tax dollars are more important to me than you are." Seriously?!?
 
Spread all the awareness you want! I believe personally Kony and the Uganda Government all deserve a bullet. There are a couple reasons I think they [IC] refuse to fight the whole issue and instead fight just Kony, and the biggest one being they're too afraid to go up against President Museveni because he has American Government support. This whole movement is going to bring a firestorm on Uganda and thousands are going to die, and what then? We kill one man and leave behind a thousand more problems? If you want to spread awareness, spread ALL the awareness. Not just the parts that you make money off of.
 
Oh and I am not saying that people can only speak up if they have worked in 3rd world countries. I am saying that when I see someone making a judgment call toward an organization or individual like those on staff with IC with zero first hand knowledge of the people in question our cause at hand, it is hard for me to accept. I am all for people doing their own research, but sometimes it is easy to see through outlandish statements.
 
A great guy to follow is Claudio Von Planta. He's filmed several videos on the plight of children in countries such as those in Africa. One in particular focused on the plight of albino children who's body parts are still used in voodoo magic. He's done work in countries like Uganda, Rwanda and Kenya.
 
+Nick Ervin - I wish it was that simple. However in order to get people to understand and to be aware of issues you have to make the issue palpable. Now that people see the issue through this video and others like it people can do their own research. Peoples attention spans are nano seconds, you only have so much time in order to get someone engaged. The fact that we are having this conversation and that you have your own opinions based on research is evidence that what they're doing is becoming successful
 
Also, I've been sick today, so I've had a solid 12 hours to do a lot of research. You are right, I've never been to Africa, but don't think I'm not well informed on issues like the LRA or even the problem with sending rice and other foods to Africa, I've written multiple papers on it. I've done interviews with multiple humanitarian groups and members. I actually e-mailed one today and asked what she thought, and she told me she has been to Gulu, Uganda (where IC is based) and she said she did interviews with the locals and about all of them said the same thing in so many words about IC, "They come here to use us and make money" So yeah, no first hand knowledge is correct, but I've got plenty of second hand knowledge if you count that for anything.
 
Thank you.....having been to Africa myself to volunteer/help out i can totally relate to your response here:)
 
+Carl Constantine Nothing new there. Although I have noticed a trend. Most of these posts, not all, never actually watched all of the Kony video since they say that IC says that Kony is still in Uganda. When in fact it talks about how he has moved on to other countries. People are missing the big picture, but that is not new either.
 
I do count that +Nick Ervin , but I also know from first hand experience that it is difficult for locals on the ground in places like Uganda to understand how an advocacy organization works when compared to one that hands them food or jobs on the spot.
 
I understand what you mean, you may be right. But the fact is that Kony is one problem out of many. As someone who has been to Africa, +Colby Brown, can you honestly sit here and tell me that getting rid of Kony is going to help anything at all? If your answer is no, and I really hope it is, then don't you think IC know that as well? Which would go to show they're using this whole thing for their own gain... Or I could just be some crazy kid spouting off crazy theories about things I don't understand. Who knows.
 
Thank you for your 1st hand insight. I think it will be helpful to those off us wading thru the mud on this.
 
+Nick Ervin - You are partially right. Removing Kony does not magically change Africa or Uganda. However it does three very important things.

1. Holds the world #1 war criminal accountable.

2. Gets people involved enough to do their own research on subjects like this.

3. Shows that there is power in a movement to enact change and or action without outright military invasion.
 
Okay, all very good points. I agree. This shows how raising awareness helps to get things going, but at the same time they are somehow convincing people this is the end-all be-all to help a lot of kids and people in Africa? Because when I watch the video all I see are people who want Kony dead and are raising money in order to fight violence with more violence. Not to mention they're making their own wallets fat - which is where my disgust for this organization is really stemming from.
 
So I hear ic is a non profitable organization ? But they keep 70% of the money
 
Valid point. Also are invisible children and adults in USA. If we don't take care of the home front first... help a neighbor. That's a non-profit cause.
 
dey shud fix da wrongs in america 1st than to be getting involved with stuff that is probably normal to them since lik forever and the ones to do something should be africa itself. wut do we luk lik fixin other ppls problems. dey wudnt do da same for us if it was the other way around. and since when hav america ever been concerned with africas problems lik starvation rape and aids. but o no poor little kids and their abusers. boohoo. u kno u never gave a fu+k about africa b4
 
Somebody (Invisible Children) is trying to make a difference in the world and call attention to a larger problem by focusing this effort on one individual (Kony)l. It pisses me off to no end that people are pissing all over that.
 
First off I would like to say this was a very moving video and truly something must be done with this kony fellow. That being said,why does america have to do it alone? Why do we feel the need to police the globe? I would like to see an international campaign. We cannot afford to act unilaterally on this both financially and politically. I don't know about anyone else but I'm tired of seeing coffins shipped back home in place of our loved ones. I'm tired of us fighting other peoples battles that they should be fighting themselves. I know this kony is doing terrible things but there are terrible people doing terrible things everywhere. We can't stop them all. When our soldiers are sworn in they swear to uphold the constitution and and to protect their country from all threats both foreign and domestic. Not to build nations,force democracy on the unwilling or bring another countries criminals to justice. Yes something needs to be done.....but these other countries who usually armchair quarterback from the sidelines need to step up and help too.
 
Further to +Justin Sprout ...if Americans decided not to be the worlds police, in spite of the fact that most Americans know diddly-squat about the rest of the world..we would all be better off.....(just a thought.)
 
Funny thing is those people we're trying to save are the one who wanted Americans dead in the first place ..
 
Hope one day people can understand the real importance of education, specially for those who made that video, apparently those preps dont have any idea how does it fell not to eat in weeks.. something evil is behind that video and the victims are many that believe that Kony is the only one that causing problem.. stupidity must be stop
 
how do you save a child army by fighting a child army.
 
I have known Jason Russell since he was 12 years old. I watched him grow up singing, dancing, and acting in musical theater. Then, as a costumer, I worked with him when he choreographed, and ultimately directed those musicals as an older teen. I was privileged to be a "background artist" in his senior project film "Fly" at USC where he earned a degree in film making.

When Jason, Bobby Bailey, and Laren Poole decided to go to Africa to make a documentary, they intended to find a story in the Sudan. I was one of the adults from his theater days who contributed financially to make their trip possible, and was rewarded by receiving journal-type updates as their ten week quest progressed. What they learned was that the story that grabbed their lives was not in the Sudan, but in Uganda. A woman they met along the way shared her experience as one of the first Ugandan children to be abducted by the LRA several years before. She had managed to escape, raise a family of her own, and -- beating the odds -- become educated.

I attended the dinner Jason's parents organized the night the young men returned. Their story was compelling and important. They had a plan to spread what they had learned throughout America, and return to Africa to help some of the people they had met.

They have done all that and more. Over the last 9 years, their commitment has not wavered. Their insights have sharpened and their savvy has grown, but their idealism has not died and the moral standard Jason holds himself and his organization to is beyond reproach.

Those who suggest ulterior motives are simply ignorant of the truth, cynical, or quite possibly just big into conspiracy theories. Blogs are rarely reliable sources for anything but opinion, and are probably best taken with a grain of salt. Is "KONY 2012" objective? No. Why should it be? But is it an effective and moving piece of non-fiction story telling? You bet. Because that's what Jason is trying to do: tell a story that moves people to speak up, take a stand, demand attention be paid.

Well done, Jason.

Thanks for sharing, Colby.
 
Bravo, Colby! I think its a shame that people would rather ignore something worth fighting for, especially when the fighting is as simple as a repost! Then they expect that overhead is free, and that its free for someone to get up off their arse and take action. as opposed to looking at a screen and complaining that they dont know if its fact....wake up ppl! did you forget how to do a google search? i appreciate being informed, but all they r asking for is a repost...and if u do believe, donate....exercise your rights for christs sake!
 
I agree with all you have said but the focus on military action to remove him smacks of the current/recent problems of Iraq, Afganistan and alike. Helping a dubious system by providing them with techhniques and technologly could be setting up the region for a fall. The question is about risk. Should we help arm a dictator who's armed forces have them selves a terrible human rights record in an unstable region to remove a group commiting these crimes? Its a tough one and we don't have a crystal ball. If Kone is removed and Uganda becomes stable it will be a success but the stability of Uganda is very unlikely and in the future it will be seen as 'our fault' and the crimes of Kone will fade away. Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.
 
Joshua Kony is kidding kids from africa and are forcing them 2 kill their parents. Kony 2012 is a big problem due 2 the children that don't have a choice. America should be trying 2 get rid of him,and I hope they are doing the right thing.
 
+Lizbeth Carranza Part of the problem with NGOs who raise awareness rather than taking practical steps is that it encourages the view that to

"keep are(sic) voices very loud and keep on posting about this in till this evil man is brought to justice"

Is equivalent to actually doing something useful and helpful. It might make you feel good, but shouting about it and debating it on social networks does absolutely nothing to help anyone at all.
 
Haha there is nothing new about this except that it has gone "viral" as such many aware and especially unaware people can make all sorts of comments. How many people in nothern uganda know this is even going on?are they bothered? such publicity never results into much if it did that war that went on for over 20 years would have ended much sooner hence less suffering for the people of nothern uganda and the Congo/ central african republic where Kony has relocated to.
 
Good morning +Colby Brown Invisible Children responds to their critics... Get the facts about where the money goes and all the rest. http://www.invisiblechildren.com.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/critiques.html Gandhi said : First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. Invisible children has been championing this cause for 8-9 years. They've been invisible, they've been laughed at, right now they're being attacked... looks like they are close to winning. #StopKony2012
 
Sorry Philip - I think you are wrong
 
The only reason I don't like it is because of how blatantly manipulative the video is, if they had an un-bias summary of it I might support it.
 
So you are attempting to justify manipulating facts to gain attention and go viral. In other words you lie, and think that is proper. That is ALL I need to know about you and the organization.
 
+Colby Brown You're so fervent in your defense, I'm going to have to ask the obvious question of whether you have any connection to the organization.

The video is strewn with misinformation. It claims Kony has an army of 30k kids. This is so blatantly wrong that misinformation is an inapplicable label, only 'lie' would suffice. The video leads the viewers to believe that Kony is actively raising havoc in Northern Uganda today. This is also false. The video leads viewers to believe the U.S. is considering pulling its advisors from the Kony search. Again, False.

Then there is Invisible Children itself. The organization has repeatedly declined external audits. That is not the action of a trustworthy organization.

In short, they give a very small slice of money to work in the ground. But that's not their motive you say, it's to raise awareness. Okay, except they're distorting facts and outright lying about the situation in Uganda. "Raising awareness" is doublespeak for "raising money" and I'm sure they are. The question is what are they actually raising it for and what is it being spent on. They have self-reported their finances, but if you accept that sort of self-reporting, in the face of refusals for external audits, then I have some Enron stock to sell you at a bargain price.
 
+Dannel Weaver please do your research before attempting to judge me or anyone else. The video does not lie about anything. It was however edited in a way to invoke a response. Until you have ever attempted to raise an alarm for a humanitarian cause, your assumptions don't mean much to me. People don't care about most issues in the world. Until you have seen the kids starving to death or being mutilated you have no clue to what you are talking about.
 
+Brendan Dillon - I am fervent in my response because unlike 80% of those posting comments like yours, I work in countries like Africa all the time. I am fervent in my response because I have worked with, worked for and help run NGO's in my career. I am fervent in my response because of the work that I do helps raise alot of money for very small NGOs on the ground in countries all across the globe. I am fervent in my response most people making assumptions have none of the above experience.

If you read any of my comments in this thread, you would also know that I do not contribute money to Invisible Children. I personally choose to financially support smaller organizations that need the money more. That being said I applaud their approach and their ability to invoke a movement to get things done.

The NGO world is a nasty one, filled with corruption and atrocities, but that does not negated the good things being done. Advocacy organizations like IC do a great job of raising awareness for the cause. The capture of the worlds #1 war criminal is not a bad thing is it? If you watched the full movie you would realize that they said the Kony was not in Uganda anymore. They also said that at one point, Kony had built up an army of 30k child soldiers. Don't miss represent facts. They said have provided assistance to the Ugandan army, not directly provide any weapons. IC also gives $0 to the Ugandan government, which is hugely corrupt and had a record of its on atrocities.

As for their finances, do your research. Many NGO watchdog websites give their finances a 4 star rating (out of 4 stars), which means they can't get much better in that regard. They are much much better then most organizations with transparency. They do have a lower rating with accountability, which is certainly a valid claim, although as I said above, it is much harder to quantify the impact of an organization that pushes advocacy rather then one that provides support, such as medial aid or food on the ground in a country.

I also said they are not perfect and personally I am not a fan of their salaries within the NGO, but I can look past that for the simple fact that we are having this conversation. The point of the video was to get people talking. Do you know that most US students have no clue what their own capital is let alone where Uganda is on the map, heck most adults do not know in this country. The striking of a conversation is the awareness point. From here everyone can do their own research and make up their own minds, but atleast people are talking. Raising awareness let alone money for a cause, big or small, is an incredibly difficult thing, both physically and mentally. Unless you make your pitch bite sized, people will gloss over it. It is difficult to accept, but reality.
 
+Colby Brown Let's not forget that Africa is a continent rather than a country as stated in one of your posts. I'm sure it was just an oversight.
 
+Mark Dacre - Haha. Very aware it is a continent. I just performed a search to correct the error, but it was not on this thread.
 
just found it +Mark Dacre ...thanks...I blame my fingers that operate faster then my brain :)
 
+Philip Kirkbride - I am in no way implying that your opinions are not valid or worth nothing. They certainly are worth something. However when I see individuals making statements based not on experience, but rather internet research, yes...I feel the need to chime in. I truly do apologize if I came off condescending..that was not my indentation. More so it was that we all have to take into account context of ones "argument". You tell me one thing that is counter to what I see on the ground when I document Africa communities, it is hard not to voice my opinion and stance.

I 100% agree that we should all be critical and yes, not everyone can travel the world or visit these places first hand, but even those individuals have to take the info they get from "sources" on the internet with a grain of salt. I see ALOT of opinions based on other peoples opinions with few facts, so it does rile me up a bit.
 
+Philip Kirkbride - It is like a weather man telling me it is 20 degrees and storming outside after I just came from walking the dog, knowing that it was sunny at 60s :)

btw - this is just in principle, not meant to mimic either of our stances :)
 
+Philip Kirkbride - Enjoy the conspiracy. Btw, I see you are from canada. Don't think your oil companies are not there already :) A little research might help :)
 
+Philip Kirkbride - You are 100% correct. Canada did invent UN peacekeeping. As a dual citizen between Canada and the US, having lived in Vancouver for many years, it is something I am proud of as well. However I am sure you are versed in the history of the Rwandan genocide. A great example of how a UN peacekeeping mission has massive limitations on its ability to effectively limit the atrocities against humanity. No system is perfect.
 
+Philip Kirkbride That certainly does bring up a whole new can of worms with China expanding its defense funding by 15% and the scarcity of oil that will start to become more and more of an issue. Not sure troops on the ground would do much good and atleast for the US, in an election year...it will never happen. Personally I feel that any of these "newly" discovered oil fields are like putting a band aid on a leaking dam. Sure it helps for a year or so, but they are usually such small dents which never address the true issue...energy. Maybe instead of putting troops on the ground there, we should put that money towards R&D for programs and products that help get us away from oil or atleast mitigate our obsession with it.
 
Well, here are some criticisms from Africans, which so far seem to have had no voice in the discussion at all.

But the wild success of the campaign has provoked an angry backlash on social media sites and from many Africans, and from scholars who study Africa. They say the campaign is simplistic and manipulative, with deceptive claims, murky finances and a questionable strategy.

The U.S. activists are “selling a pack of lies to unaware youth to raise money for themselves,” said Ugandan blogger TMS Ruge in one of a series of critical tweets.

Not a single African is a member of the executive staff or the board of directors of Invisible Children, he noted. Instead, he said, Africans have been relegated to a “sideshow” without a voice in their own story. “Stop treating us like children,” he said. “I refuse to let my voice stay silent as one more NGO continues to perpetuate an expired single story of us.”

Another Ugandan writer, Rosebell Kagumire, said the video campaign “sensationalizes” the issue and makes it all about “America saving us.”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/invisible-children-and-its-kony-2012-campaign-in-the-spotlight/article2362416/page1/

For what it's worth...
 
+Colby Brown, I hope you don't mind, but I have been sharing the living daylights out of this post. It is well done and very helpful. (And the rest of the conversation here is great, too). Thank you.
 
I have just finished watching 'Machine Gun Preacher' released late last year and based on the story of Sam Childers, his battles with Kony and escapades running an orphanage in northern Uganda. It is Hollywood entertainment but gets away with much more than Invisible Children. Childers still runs a charity there - Angels of East Africa - and appears in the last frames of the movie, intending to provoke debate on the use of violence by saying, 'would you care, how I saved your kids?'. Perhaps he will piggyback the Kony 2012 campaign when he releases his forthcoming biopic documentary, Another Man's War. More here: http://www.machinegunpreacher.org/
 
I had three thoughts when I saw this for the first time: what a great cause! What a fantastic marketing and communication job! The second triggered my third thought precipitated by the question: why the urgency to resolve this now after all the years of terror? A
flag of caution was raised as I paused to think through this question.

You have to agree that if this campaign continues with its current viral speed, it will no doubt succeed to do what it said it aims to do: create a national villain of enormous proportions- a villain that would be as infamous as are our famous stars, villain that must be stopped! Also, I presume you are aware that this villain, as vile as he is, he is no more than a boss of large gang that our armed forces can squash as easily as swatting a flay.

Putting it all together: we “create” the villain along with an enormous national plea to stop him. Our president writes an order to do so. The villain is easily destroyed and our president becomes our youth’s hero, just on time for the election. Thus, the birth of the 2012 version of the campaign “Yes We Can”.

The prologue: our youth helps reelect the president and we continue with the current administration’s policies. This is the best political propaganda I’ve seen: Create a problem you can easily solve, hype it up, solve it (than claim credit and collect the rewords).

My advice: be careful what flames you fan- they might come around to burn you. Support the cause but don’t buy the attached propaganda.
Am I cynical? No, just wary and tired of desperate and crafty politicians.
 
+Desirae Guffy you got your souvenir so you can feel good. Imagine if the money that went to that kit actually went to actually help the kids.
 
+Matt Shalvatis Referencing a blog to controvert easily verifiable facts too often uses the opinions of the ill-informed to form the opinions of the willfully ignorant. If we hope to improve the conditions of the oppressed, first we must know who and where they are. We have to know how they are oppressed. To treat nay-saying, non-factual blog opinions as valid reasons to deny the good works of people committed to improving the human condition by exposing its horrors to many, many people who are otherwise sheltered from those horrors is an easy and thoughtless way to absolve oneself of responsibility.

It may be true that many members of the social networking population have the attention span of gnats, but those who do not learn to pay attention will pay the consequences with their very futures.
 
Do you want to hear what a Ugandan who has been involved with IC since before its inception has to say about all this criticism? Take 2 minutes.

Jolly is the woman who first told Jason, Bobby, and Laren about Kony.

To Critics of KONY 2012
 
Yeah!We have to suppor this cause everyone on every where in this world!
 
it would be a step towards humanitiy!!
 
+Sue Ranscht " If we hope to improve the conditions of the oppressed, first we must know who and where they are. "

Selling T-shirts and bracelets and paying yourself nice salaries isn't the way to do it.


Given the financial issues. 30% turn on each dollar is pretty horrid. The whole poster, T-shirt, bracelet campaign is ridiculous.

So where is the 70% going?

Their total expenses for 2011 were $8,894,632 and of that, $2,810,681 were spent on direct services.

Where did the 6,083,951 go? That is an enormous amount of money. And why won't they let an independent group audit them?
 
So, +Sue Ranscht, the Africans from the Globe and Mail article are the "opinions of the ill-informed," but the African you quote is a-OK because the people behind the film say so. OK, gotcha!
 
+Matt Shalvatis Actually, Matt, I met Jolly years ago when Invisible Children first organized. She had come to America to share her story, and as I pointed out, she is the woman who gave them the information that spurred their investigation to begin with. Her first-hand authority on the subject is well established. The filmmakers have not made up the stories of any of the many victims they have interviewed over the years, nor have they invented the interviews they have done with other NGO leaders or government officials from Uganda, the US or any place else. Your sarcasm is misplaced and evidence of a very weak position.
 
Look, my only intent was to pass on what was reported by the Globe and Mail newspaper. So sorry that you had a problem with that. Now, maybe your source is reliable. OK, I get it. But do you have proof that the Globe and Mail's sources "are ill-informed," as you have stated? You seem to be implying, without any proof, that anyone who does not agree with your source is not to be trusted. Having said that, I'm out of this discussion.
 
Joseph kony is a evil man,and he have to be held account of the cruellity that he have done to the people.
 
just let him loose in a hispanic community and scream "sexual predator, rapist and women/children murderer" you are going to need paper towels to pick what is going to be left of him... I hope he dies a painful death.
 
P. S. Когда гугловские жиды начинают по моим ссылкам всяческие страшилки вывешивать по поводу того, что сайт вредоносный, то нужно сразу вспоминать народную мудрость: «Не верь жидовским речам, а верь своим собственным очам». Набирать эти ссылки в своем ворде, и смело заходить по ним! И своими очами сразу убеждаться в том, что жиды в ГУЛЕ не только самые большие БРЕХУНЫ, но еще больше ТРУСЫ.
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+Emerald Ip That isn't any close to a good come back to the 30%. Wow the faux activist sheep, letting themselves get scammed and passing on the scam.

Kony isn't even in Uganda. The vast majority of the kids left and are back home, he has may be 200 followers now.

Marvin Edgar Nuwagaba who is an African from Uganda:
"Awareness?? You do not create awareness by glossing over the major issues and making a 30 minute video that does little to educate people of what is really happening but rather, tugs at a few emotional strings about suffering in Africa?? That's not awareness, that's a farce is what it is."

Meanwhile you spread this BS video around and get to feel good about yourself. Did you get your souvenir T-Shirt too?

People grasping at straws to defend this because they know they didn't do the minimal amount of research before they jumped on the bandwagon.


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+Emerald Ip BTW he provided no links in that response, where I did aboe, that contradict what he claims.


Their total expenses for 2011 were $8,894,632 and of that, $2,810,681 were spent on direct services.

That is 6,083,951 of what was given to them not going to direct help. Again 6 MILLION that didn't go for aid, when there are other well known charities that spend 70-90% on actual aid.

Where there are many, many other charities that have much higher proportion.

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=12429

2 stars in Accountability and Transparency. Why won't they allow outside audits?


" 2 stars due to the fact that Invisible Children does not have 5 independent voting members on our board of directors"

Outright lie.


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+Kent Goertzen - I suggest you read Invisible Children's response to many of the claims you are throwing at them. It is in the OP now.
 
+Colby Brown Already did, same bs with no support to it.

Sad people have been fooled by them. And sadder they have well meaning people passing around this charade.
 
+Kent Goertzen - To each their own then my friend. I have worked in the humanitarian world for a long time and IC is not "fooling" anyone. The are achieving what every NGO strives to do, bring awareness to an issue. The video clearly stated that Kony is not in Uganda anymore, so I am not sure why that is being brought up.

Are their other organizations that are doing more work on the ground in Uganda, The Congo and Southern Sudan....of course. Then spend your money there. But you miss one huge point of what they are doing. It is forcing people to talk about it. I have no clue where you live, but most people in the US fail to know their political representative or even the capital of their own state, let alone where Uganda is on the map. Most people on this planet do not know about the various acts of Genocide throughout the world over the last 150 years (let alone longer). Awareness is important. People can do their own research now that it is a hot topic, but atleast they are talking.

Looking at your G+ and FB profiles, I have no idea what you actually do or what your experiences are so I will not make assumptions. But I do know the value of having a conversation and something that most people didn't know was an issue a week ago. I am on the board of a few NGOs, have started my own in the past and regularly work with NGOs through the various companies I own, so my experience is first hand. I don't give IC money either, but I do support their ability to launch a cause. As I said in my comments above, those in Uganda, the Congo or Sudan do not give a crap if the support they receive comes from the sales of a cliche ipod, a bake sale or some one with the purest of intentions. The world is not black and white, but shades of gray. Those that strive for perfection in the NGO world are living a fantasy.
 
"Looking at your G+ and FB profiles, I have no idea what you actually do or what your experiences are so I will not make assumptions."

Wow stalkerish much? Ever think it is because I value a some resemblance of privacy?

"the Congo or Sudan do not give a crap if the support they receive comes from the sales of a cliche ipod, a bake sale or some one with the purest of intentions."

Why don't you talk to Marvin Edgar Nuwagaba on FB and see what he has to say.

They do care where it comes from and how they are being exploited. And they'd rather see real aid coming to them, than groups handing out feel good souvenirs, and supporting propped up salaries.



But anything to make yourself feel good I guess. Faux Activism at it's worst.
 
+Kent Goertzen - Stalkerish? Get real man. I am trying to get a feel for who you were before I made assumptions. Get over your self. I have no issue with you wanting your privacy. Thats great. More power to you.

Thats great about Nuwagaba. I can also link to another 100 that don't care. And you can pull another 100 that do. The internet is beautiful that way. There are many different types of NGOs that serve different purposes. You can say that groups like IC is "Faux Activism" all you want, but unless you have been to Uganda or have a clue to what they actually have done...well then...its nice talk.

As I said, until I know that you have any actually experience in the NGO world, your words don't mean much. They sound nice from behind a computer screen though. Its fun to "talk" of activism...its another to put feet on the ground.

Btw...if this movement actually does incite the arrest and or removal of Kony, then you can tell those the he abducts, kills or rapes between now and then of your altruistic stance on the internet.
 
+Kent Goertzen - Here is a list of what they have done, incase you had trouble finding it.

Northern Uganda:


LEGACY SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM
Provides merit-based scholarships and mentoring to motivated and talented secondary and university students from northern Uganda who were affected by the conflict. Currently supporting 590 secondary students and 250 university students, the program is educating the next generation of leaders in northern Uganda.

SCHOOLS FOR SCHOOLS
Partnering with 11 of the top secondary schools in northern Uganda affected by the LRA insurgency, Schools for Schools works to construct and renovate school structures while also building teacher capacity and developing curriculum.

MEND
A social enterprise geared toward facilitating financial independence and development for women formerly abducted by the LRA. The program currently supports 16 seamstresses who use their tailoring skills to create unique, high-quality handbags. Each Mend product carries the name of the seamstress who made it and seams a personal connection between the products, their makers, and consumers.

LIVELIHOOD
Takes a holistic approach to providing sustainable economic growth and improved living conditions for war-affected northern Ugandans. It supports rural communities using a three-pronged approach: Village Savings and Loan Associations (VSLA); Water, Sanitation, and Hygiene (WASH); and Functional Adult Literacy (FAL).

Southern Sudan:


COMMUNITY PROTECTION
Invisible Children funds the Early Warning HF Radio Network, which links communities currently affected by LRA violence. This network helps to warn communities of pending LRA attacks and allows local humanitarian groups to provide timely assistance to those in need. This network also feeds into the LRA Crisis Tracker, a public website that provides near-real-time information on current LRA activity. www.LRACrisisTracker.com

DEFECTION
Fliers designed by Invisible Children are distributed in areas where LRA groups are known to travel. The fliers say that it is safe to come out of the bush and that ex-combatants will be allowed to return home. The message is translated into 3 local languages and includes pictures of LRA combatants who have successfully escaped. Invisible Children also sponsors FM radio stations, like Radio Zereda, which broadcasts defection messages from Obo, CAR.

REHABILITATION
The Rehabilitation Center in Dungu, DRC, is the first in the region for LRA victims. It treats the most severely traumatized children with psychosocial counseling, vocational training, and family-reunification services. The center can host up to 250 former LRA abductees at a time.
 
+Colby Brown "Get real man. I am trying to get a feel for who you were before I made assumptions."

Why is that necessary to have a discussion? I suspect it's more to dig up something to prejudice people that disagree with you in my experience.

He's in hiding or dead. He's not abducting anyone anymore. Which is more reason why the money they wasted could have been used to actually help instead of prop this organization up to try to keep them relevant. Save them the problem of finding a real cause, and actually having to cut into their pockets.

"I can also link to another 100 that don't care."

Do it then. I suspect it's another of you non-supported claims.
 
+Colby Brown "Here is a list of what they have done"

And they could have done more. Like real charities do. And be transparent when doing it.

Of course can't have people seeing how they actually spend the money.

Again why no external audits?
 
You are a riot. Actually, having a conversation with some that actually has experience on the subject at hand does make a difference. It is called context. See, for you, it seems like you like to be an "activist" but mostly from behind a computer screen. So when you bring up points that are other peoples opinions or from sources that are not your own, that helps me understand you a little better. I like to know who I am talking to...I don't hide behind a computer.

As I said, I don't support them financially because of their high salaries, but calling it "Faux activism" is ignorant to what they do accomplish. As I said above, sitting behind a computer and acting like you actually do something is also what I consider "faux activism". My "non-supported claims" or from me, standing in IDP camps around the world. Actually having conversations with individuals that are affected by people like Kony.

Regardless, enjoy your stance. It is your right, just as it is mine and the other individuals in this thread to have our own opinions. I will do what I do and you can do whatever you do.
 
"having a conversation with some that actually has experience on the subject at hand does make a difference"

I have. Even gave you a name of someone you could discuss it with. But I'm sure you won't.

And still no support for your claims, just ad hominem now. Telling.
 
How many different groups calling them frauds do you need?

I'm beginning to think this is just a knee jerk reaction now to avoid admitting you got suckered.
 
Thanks +Colby Brown excellent analysis and answers. This night reading all of these comments make me feel sick and sad to know that they are still being people around this world that love to judge instead to help the humanity in just a little way.
With all my respect these people are very ignorants and they don't take the time to watch all the video and read important sources.
Well the good thing is that they are still being smart people like you that care about others.
God Bless your heart... :)
 
+Yasmin Simpson BS. This is nothing to do with that and it is dishonest of you to portray it that way.

I even offered up legitimate charities that actually do help, unlike Invisible Children who pad their wallets first, and exploit and lie to remain relevant.

What is disgusting are people who don't think critically, and think they are cool being an internet activist when they aren't actually helping one bit.

Me I actually work with charities, honest ones. That spend most of their resources on actual aid.

So actually YOU are the one judging. You prejudged me, and turned around and lied to attack me and others for not being a sheep and being fooled by this scam. So you seem to be a hypocrite also, complaining about others judging when you do it yourself.

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Sorry +Kent Goertzen believe me that in my post I was not trying to insult you or saying something against you.
I was so clear talking about people that don't take the time to read or investigate about this problem in Africa. My personal case, I know that this special event has been around for a while and I have a person very close of me that has been at Uganda and really know how much help the invisible children need.
But this doesn't mean that everybody has to think like me. Everybody is free to decide where to help or not only I wanted to express that I feel sad when I see that this world needs help in all the ways and instead helping each other we decide to fight for irrelevant things.
Once again... is not something against you.
 
+Yasmin Simpson You say they need all the help the can get. Tell that to the organization. 6 million that could have actually helped kids over there, that went to their pockets instead, with no outside accountability, no way to confirm that even the little bit of money they claim they used actually went to help.

And still not allowing an outside audit even though they know there are questions about them.

Those are the actions of an honest charity? No. No they are not. They are the actions of people trying to enrich themselves and not get caught.

You have friends over there, then ask them what they think of that 6 million going missing on nothing that helped them directly.

My friends over there are outraged. So I have to wonder at anyone claiming their OK with the above facts.

That 6 million not going to direct aid to those kids is what should be disgusting you.
 
Anything that goes viral comes with great scrutiny...and it should...especially when we are talking about NGOs and the humanitarian world. While I have worked with Invisible Children in the past and been to a few of their events, much more information has come out in the last week since this video was watched by nearly 100 million people. After talking to my contacts in Uganda, making a few phone calls with other NGOs on the ground in this part of Africa and reading many of the posts coming out against IC, the more I am finding that I do not like. While I think Kony 2012 did do a good job of getting people to talk about African issues, the issues with the video go much much deeper. Here is a good article that highlights some of those issues.

http://www.misr.mak.ac.ug/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=186%3Aadam-branch-on-invisible-children&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=50

I will be updating my post with this link. +Kent Goertzen, I appreciate your discourse, even though I disagree with your tactfulness in your comments towards those in favor of this movement and myself in attempting to shed my experience on the situation. In all fairness however, the same could be said of those in opposition to your point of view at the time, including my own responses. As I said above, I do not financially support IC and never had, but as more and more information is coming out, it is hard to ignore the opposition to this video and some of the underlying principles of IC that I personally do not condone or agree with.

Thank you all for the great dialog regardless.
 
Colby brown u should also post how Jason got arrested for masturbation since he is the guy were suppose to be following ic
 
+Leo Pecina Jr. - I will do a post update, but I do not want to post more about Kony 2012. Plenty of others are covering it and more has been revealed about IC then I can to support at this time.
 
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