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They forgot sue as much as possible for weak patent violations.
 
I think that's included in the "prevent competition" step, +Bearman Cartoons :)
But it could easily be justified to include it with it's own step, they've been doing this too many times already.
 
And it's so sad to witness. I would have never thought of Apple that way a couple years back, but ever since, I've just learned more and more. I'm just happy they don't get their way all the time.
 
+Cebastian Rosing, Apple (as the brainchild of Steve Jobs) has never eluded me; once I learned that Steve Jobs defrauded his friend and Apple cofounder Steve Wozniak when both worked at Atari for a few hundred dollars, I understood that nothing truly honest would ever come out of it.

True to the character of its founder and recently-departed manager, Apple has since from the beginning prospered by deluding its customers with inferior, underpowered and overpriced products (under the guise of being "easy to use" and/or "cool") and even managed to get themselves quite a following of fanatic admirers (the infamous "Cult of Apple" fanbois). But then, so goes Humanity...
 
Yes, that's true +Lincoln Innocent. But you could also see it as they catch up in sales and reputation in the general market. Apple started the suing Android and it's OEM's once it began catching on in serious terms.
 
So we're poised for another revolutionary product!
 
That's so true it's genuinely quite scary.
 
too bad Apple has never been able to innovate without Jobs
 
lately apples playing the catch up game. and suing others
 
We should prevent innovations by rewarding the Copycats
 
I'm not sure I follow you, +A Gutmann? Who is copying who?
And how is it preventing innovation?
I don't think Android Google has been preventing any innovation so far. Apple on the other hand, is trying full speed.
 
Apple is feeling the heat from android and they have to do what they can to slow them down.
 
PULEEZE. Apple is having no problem KILLING other phones. Everyone is trying to catch up with the iPhone 4s and soon there will be a 5. And let's not talk about Tablets. Is there something that excites you about a non-iPad tablet? Yeah? What?
 
+John McElhenney Not using an Apple tablet is a good starting point.  Knowing how a company manages itself and how it treats its employees is a starting point for whenever I buy any sort of consumer product.  Maybe you should do a google search on Apple`s manufacturing practices...
 
What excites me about a non iPad tablet is that it's a NON IPAD TABLET! Just sayin'
 
Wake up, every manufacturer uses FOXCONN. And I've used plenty of non-apple products. Occasionally a client will require the use of some archaic MSFT program that requires IE on WIN. Well, at least Android ain't MSFT. At least not yet. But don't get the idea that Google's "Do No Evil." is a legitimate battle cry any more. They will sell your soul and all (I mean ALL) of your data to any bidder. A friend of mine here in ATX, works for Apple. "Best company I've ever worked for, hands down," he says every time I talk to him. And that's unsolicited. He's that happy.

Say what you will, but even Michael Dell said, "The tablet market is an iPad market."
 
Oh, and being the Apple fanboy that I obviously am, I can't help but pointing out, the MacBookPro  and MacBookAIR are pretty formidable laptop champions as well. (Of course it depends on your price-point and industry.) And nobody that I know of complains about the price of a BMW or Porsche. Either you want one or you don't.

Sure Dell is at least trying to put out interesting laptops. But soon they will be shipping with the Vista-like Windows 8. More power to Chrome and Android. I'm a big fan of Google.
 
+Taylor Warden Really? so you don't purchase anything from any of the following companies that use Foxconn to manufacture their products:

Acer Inc. (Taiwan) 
Amazon.com (United States) 
Apple Inc. (United States) 
ASRock (Taiwan) 
Asus (Taiwan) 
Barnes & Noble (United States) 
Cisco (United States) 
Dell (United States) 
EVGA Corporation (United States) 
Hewlett-Packard (United States) 
Intel (United States) 
IBM (United States) 
Lenovo (China) 
Logitech (Switzerland) 
Microsoft (United States) 
MSI (Taiwan) 
Motorola (United States) 
Netgear (United States) 
Nintendo (Japan) 
Nokia (Finland) 
Panasonic (Japan) 
Philips (Netherlands) 
Samsung (South Korea) 
Sharp (Japan) 
Sony Ericsson (Japan/Sweden) 
Toshiba (Japan) 
Vizio (United States)
 
Competition is good, but let's be real here. Android is a complete and utter ripoff of iPhone, with no real innovation whatsoever. If your just going to create imitation products, you aren't helping the market at all. Microsoft is the only other company with creative and valuable ideas with the new windows 8 phones.
 
The problem with Apple is they make you listen and save music with Itunes and only Itunes no other does that. When they stop controlling what I can listen on I will become a Apple fan.
 
The other major competitor has already surpassed them. Android is far superior... 
 
Funny. I'm smokin fruit, obviously.

I'm not sure I buy the whole, "try and prevent competition." 

Oh, and how much love are the Android app developers getting in comparison to iOS developers? Check the latest attrition rate on DEV for Android apps. The reason, it's a wild west frontier our there. Hardware and software and the "stack" to create a really workable phone with Android, requires a lot of TWEAK.

Have fun with that. I don't really want to tweak my phone. I want to get on with work. My phone should just work, out of the box. And my experience with a previous Android phone, the third time I missed a call because the Android OS was doing something other than being a phone, was the last miss I experienced on an Android phone, because I finally gave in and bought what I wanted.

I do hear the Samsung tablets with the REAL Touch screens are pretty nice. If you need that sort of technical accuracy, which my friend does.
 
Reinforces the idea for me that now is a good time to accept android as an equal competitor and switch as I plan to do. 
 
And Amazon, with all its resources and market power, has just started their market offering for music downloads.
 
Good luck switching. Everyone I know has had trouble with their androids. When you lose your data or the screen begins to fail, you'll be kicking yourself for not buying apple. 
 
+John McElhenney "BMW or Porsche": I think you got it almost right: the kind of person who would expend a small fortune in such a car doesn't know the first thing about cost/benefit or value, and is exactly the kind of person who would buy an Apple product...

But then this comparison isn't fair to BMW or Porsche, because (as far as I know) they aren't suing Honda, Toyota or any of the American car makers to prevent them from making "copycat" products like cars with a steering wheel... they compete freely in the market and respect the freedom of CUSTOMERS like you and me to choose what product to purchase, which is exactly the opposite of what Apple does.

 
 
The iPad will remain king as long as App developers keep releasing the best apps on iOS 1st. Android had a reputation as Being the Cheap skates device for it low entry phones (from £50) and the fact that everyone steal's from the Play store. Developers will stick with apple for the ££ & users will stick with Apple for the Apps.
 
Not sure they truly owned either yhe command line or wimp environment, but get your drift
 
Wat? Never had any problem with my Android(s). Maybe I'm lucky or I buy the "really good ones". Also, even though "everyone you know" has problems, that's just anecdotal evidence. Same with my "I've never had problems" ;) And, there are far more Android phones than iPhones now. Just sayin'. Now iPads, they are crushing the shit out of that market.
 
I love how Apple people will believe anything that they think makes their "side" look good. You do realize that the list of companies you claim have Foxconn manufacture their products, happens to include just about every one of Foxconn's biggest competitors, don't you? Oh well, I'm sure the truth and specifics don't matter, as long as it makes Apple look better, right?
 
John McElhenney: It seems that you did not fully understand Google and its business model. Google does not sell any data. It uses data for a better user experience and (for example) for ad targeting. Why whould google sell this valuable data to direct competitors?
 
+Shawn Latham there's nothing wrong with borrowing ideas, but android copied iOS in even the TINIEST details. It's embarrassing actually. 
 
+Chad Marshall are you kidding me? either everyone you know has been buying KIRFs or you're just making stuff up. you can seamlessly switch deice to device keeping all of your data synced across all platforms with android and google based devices.... you will NEVER "lose" data, and the screen on your apple phone.... yeah that's made by LG.... the chips in your apple phone... samsung. just fyi.
 
And you are imagining things again. Yes, the Enterprise will not support Apple when they can buy plastic boxes as 1/3 the price to run Windows-Locked technologies. But the agile world of small and emerging businesses are built on "the best app" and agility, not MSFT .NET ASP IIS Sharepoint constellation. Oh they are fine if you're DELL or HP or EXXON. But the reason Apple is so innovative, and will continue to be without Mr. Jobs, is because they encourage creativity. As does Google. When you start talking about MSFT-lock you are talking old-school enterprise computing. 

Yes the world needs a lot of low-end Chevy's as well. And that's fine if that's all you have to work with.

But I run about 95% of all my WINDOWS-REQUIRED apps on my 2-year-old MacBookPro using Paralells. But there are only two apps that are still a must have. Again, I am no longer in the "enterprise" marketplace with my consulting practice. At least, they don't have requirements about what platform I use.

As you say, it's just a wrench or a screwdriver. It should not matter if I want to drive a really nice one and you are okay with a Chevy Nova. I know Michael Dell's infrastructure won't pay for me to have an Apple computer. But did it stop the entire workforce (Mr. Dell included) from using iPhones? Um... Ever been inside a Dell or MSFT marketing meeting? People are paying for their own iPhones and their own iPads in order to have and use the within the enterprise companies. Until they are FORBIDDEN.
 
Hitler! Nazis! Sorry, I was just getting impatient for the Godwin Law to kick in here...
 
The Google integration with my Droid is so far superior to anything I've ever seen for iPhone it's like night and day. I know, I know, you can do the same stuff. But I do so much with Gmail and Google Docs, etc. that it's just...seamless. Like you say, Sean, I haven't lost a single bit of data... in years.
 
This fully matches the technological cycle of an item... from making a shitload of money when you "innovate" (or, in their case repackage and push people into wanting it) to the point you get kicked out from the market you created from competitors doing things better and selling them cheaper... No one likes Apple "golden jail", unless it is the only option... 
 
And if Godwin doesn't show up--where's relevant rule 34 when you need it... Right, Chris?
 
+Cebastian Rosing - Why not add the iPod or iTunes?  All have been attempted to be copied quite a lot, but I guess they don't fit your little chart here :).
 
Oh, and finally, you'll notice I +1 this post because I feel the discussion is important. I'm open to understanding a different point of view. That's why I talk so damn much. (My apologies.)

And here's my take on G+ (which I'm a huge fan of, btw.)

http://bit.ly/v25v0J
 
OH and also +Chad Marshall android is a rip off of teh iphone? really???? those neat new notifications you get in ios5... yeah android had those TWO YEARS AGO. SIRI? yeah android had voice search and voice actions over a year before apple introduced SIRI. The ONLY thing innovative about the iphone now is the marketing tools they use to somehow convince people that their product is still groundbreaking.
 
To try and use a rule of thimb to not use a consumer product because the company has a lack of 'moral character' and 'social responsibility' is laughable. If drive a car, gas OR electric you have already violated the rule. Unless you an entirely organic/natural dier free of GMO, you have violated the rule. If you pay a single cent in tax to the US govt, you have violated the rule. Point is, when you give companies/corporations human traits, people tend to think of them as humans, which is a problem...

Apple is just a big corporation. The make a ton of money, so they have a ton of power. At the end of the day, if you want to have a moblie device that delivers email, web browsing, camera options, app platfroms, etc.you have to buy a product that is mass manufactured and likely has parts made in less than datisfactory conditions.

There is no 'good willed eco' smartphone company yet, so the 'moral' arguement is null
 
+John McElhenney don't bring the little guns into the big boy fight. Apple isn't making its money from the MacBook lines its making them from the iPhone and iPad and before those its iPods. On your comparison you CANNOT compare cars to computers. A car is more important than a freaking computer its use more justified when purchasing something of higher quality. Now a laptop most certainly can't especially when then only reason people buy Macs is because they are pretty. I guarantee if they looked like Lenovos business line of laptops this conversation would be dead in its tracks. 
 
+Rick Kettner a buddy swears by his Zune, but other than the fact that iTunes sucks on Windows vs. Mac, I can't really complain about my iPod. I almost never buy music from iTunes, I have a huge catalog of CD's I ripped, and much of the music I listen to now is free from artists on Soundcloud or whatever.
 
They way they are acting lately is making me want to stop buying their products.

Got an Android phone, iPad, iMac, and a bunch of other products from different vendors but I'm starting to scout out new tablet and computer manufacturers...

I can't keep supporting this.
 
Maybe the people I know lost their data or their phone failed on them cause they root it and tweak it too much. iPhone is functional without all the crape are right out of the box.

Baa google baaa. 
 
My Droid RAZR Max makes the latest iPhone look like old tech.
 
It's not about which is best here, but what sort of computing experience you want.

Apple gives you tightly integrated, well designed stuff that works well together as one company has designed it all to do so.

Google, MSFT, and multiple hardware vendors take a different collaborative/competitive approach that give a different, more open, more extensible offering.

Neither is best or right, some work better for one requirement or view point over the other.

I think there will always be this closed/tightly integrated vs open / anything goes choice as some people prefer both, as can be seen from this debate. 
 
Some people have an interesting recollection of history.
 
Let's see. Android ripped off:

Apps
App store
The pop up keyboard
Lock screen
Slide to unlock
Accelerometer

Many more features too but this subject bores me too much and I'm tired of debating it. And it's funny how horrible the design was of google phones before iPhone was introduced. 
 
Lets face it Apple is the future Microsoft!
 
+Shawn Latham - Before iPhone vs after iPhone:
 - http://bit.ly/QD8OWM

Before iPhone... no mobile phones had decent web browsers of any kind.  Nobody was using pinch to zoom, rubber banding effects on screen, accelerometers to turn the screen for you, screen turning off when you put it to your face.  User interfaces were terrible and inconsistent even within individual brands.  Playing/organizing music on any phone was a complete joke (forget about doing video in any significant way).  The vast majority of devices had no touch screen or used a stylus.  None recommended using your fingers on the screen.  Many had keyboards taking up 40% of the front face.  As "obvious" as everyone suggests "slide to unlock" is... nobody was using it.

Few people can remember just how terrible mobile phones were before iPhone.  It forced everyone to dramatically improve their efforts.

I'm all for competition and I think it's great that we see Android innovating along side Apple at this point.  That said, there is no reason to minimize Apples contribution or to forget how very different the phone space was before iPhone came along.  It wasn't just a convergence of technology... they leapfrogged everything that was going on in the space up until then and shocked the market into change. See the photo linked above and review that feature list... everyone instantly copied them.
 
+Chad Marshall Androids are also fully functional out of the box and most of the crapeware can be uninstalled if the user pleases. Stop making a mountain out of a mole hill both companies have their own pros and cons just find the one you can live with and be happy
 
Oh yea, google is amazing blah blah. Too bad 95% of its products seem to fail. Just look at the one we're using now.

What's wrong with having tightly integrated products? Makes it easier to move on with my life. And please explain why fragmentation is good. Thanks in advance. 
 
That's a fascinating way of looking at Apple that I'd never considered. Thanks!
 
I saw an article this morning stating that 21% of iOS users will never leave Apple regardless of the price... Where is there market share right now? About that.

IMO, it boils down to Open or Closed... Closed will only work for so long. MSFT is the world's dominate OS because they licensed the OS to any OEM who wanted to use it. What's their market share? Where's Apple's? Android started at what market share and is now where? So, in my far, far cloudy vision, Apple is gonna have to raise the prices on their products if they intend to keep raking in the cash at that same market share... They have 21% of users who will never leave... I suppose they're deep pocketed users who will keep iOS afloat.

The drawback to Open... I guess it's everyone's favorite 'F' word: Fragmentation. People bitched, moaned and complained after each iteration of Windows was released (especially Vista), but it didn't seem to cause any substantial drop in their market share... I can live with fragmentation... because after all, as an Android user, if I get fed up with lack of updates FROM THE CARRIER, I'll just root and install a version that has the features and updates I need/want.
 
You aren't really understanding what I'm saying. When I say android pathetically copies iOS, I mean they copied every single tiny detail. For instance, the pop up keyboard on android is an EXACT copy of the iOS one, complete with magnified letters as you type.

Android is fine and dandy, and maybe google will come up with their own ideas sometime down the road. But there's a reason why attention is always sucked away from everything else in the tech world during apple conferences.

And I hope Microsoft gets a good footing with their phone cause the real innovation in cell phones are coming from apple and microsoft now. 
 
+Chad Marshall lmao its funny you would say 95% of Googles products fail but then point out you're using one of the said failed products oh the contradiction. Maps, Gmail, Search, G+, Talk, YouTube, Chrome, Google Voice and Android are Googles heavy hitters and yet you say they've failed? Every time you search you most likely use Google when you're looking for directions, restaurant, or any other thing it's most likely Google. I get you like Apple, but don't go around throwing idiotic rants based on nothing because your panties are in a bunch because no one is riding the Apple train with you on a Google Site predominantly seasoned with avid Android users and they brought up an interesting observation on Apples line of products. You define the term sheep to its core and for that I feel sorry for you to be so controlled by a company that could give two shits about you well you could say the same for fanboys of any company.
 
+Chad Marshall So, then who did Apple copy in putting a keyboard in the OS? As I have seen, it is a QWERTY, right? Why didn't Apple dream up some new keyboard interface? Keyboard is way weak to nitpick on...
 
+Shawn Latham - This appears to be a semantics issue.  Everyone "copies" individual features... I'll absolutely grant you that.  However, I have never seen Apple do what others have done to them... by taking an entire collection of never before seen mobile phone features - and copying them in their entirety.  Again, I reference the before/after iPhone photo (http://bit.ly/QD8OWM)... and my long (but incomplete) list of features that simply never existed on a phone prior to iPhone.  Then, all of a sudden ALL of these features are in Android - implemented in virtually the exact same way without any major innovation (at least right away).

This isn't "borrowing features"... it's duplicating someones entire game plan before innovating on top of it.  On the one hand I understand and appreciate that Android is continuing to innovate.  I also recognize that it's hard to innovate around such a leapfrogging product without incorporating many of the same features.  I don't claim to know the solution to this patent issue, but at the same time - I can't help but feel Apple is getting the raw end of the stick (and on top of that... a whole bunch of negative press for attempting to protect themselves).  People too quickly forget how dramatically different the phone industry is because of Apple, and how their entire game plan was duplicated... not just a few minor features here and there.
 
What if google blocked all access to their services from iphones and ipads... see who laughs last...
 
The real innovations are coming from Microsoft? Hah are we talking phones still?
 
Have you guys read the key patent in question here?  It's only four patents in the suit, and only one, in Judge Koh's assessment, is causing this ban.  That's patent 8,086,604.  When you read it, it's just a basic search algorithm.  

Apple has a patent on searching that is somehow different than searching on the internet and searching your file system!  It searches both!  Does that sound innovative enough to you to award a patent?

The issue here is not the look and feel of the phone or even the term "apps."  The issue is that search patent, which is ridiculous.
 
I guess you've never heard of a lot of the google features I'm talking about. Because they FAILED. that's fine though. Google is taking the "throw everything at the wall and see what sticks" method. 
 
+Rick Kettner so you're basically discounting the LG's Prada that was announced Dec. '06 pfft typical pro Apple approach
 
+Jonas Van Dorpe - I'm pretty sure that would be a terrible move for Google.  Yes, it would hurt both companies, but Google is first and foremost a service company.  That is why they are still releasing their latest tech on both platforms.  The vast majority of their income is from solutions like search, maps, gmail, etc.

To be honest, the whole concept of Android is a little backwards for a company like Google.  Again, their primary business is services (gmail, maps, search, etc.)... so their primary strategy should always be to have an active presence on every major platform.  By creating Android... they now have incentive to hold back some features from some users (hence the whole Maps/iOS debacle) instead of simply providing the best experience for everyone.  In other words, Google now has competing agendas internally... part of the company wants their products and services integrated everywhere (search, gmail, maps, g+, etc.), and the other part wants exclusive access to new features (Android).
 
Remember that 1984 commercial? At some point along the way, they BECAME what they originally stood up against. I lost respect for apple a long time ago.
 
Do you really think Google is an "open" system :).  Look at iOS... they are now integrating with Facebook, Twitter, Yelp, TomTom, and many other partners (+ hundreds of thousands of developers).

Google is pushing Gmail, Maps, Google Calendar, G+, G+ Local, and all of their own services.  While they are reaching out to OEMs on the hardware side... they try to do absolutely everything themselves on the software side.

I really like Google... and use a ton of their services.  But it also scares me, because IF they win in most of the areas they are trying to compete (G+/Facebook, Android/iPhone, Search, Maps, Local/Yelp, Play/iTunes/Amazon, etc.)... it will be more of a closed/monopoly that we've ever seen before.  Nobody else has the potential to lock down search, social, mapping, local, digital wallets, etc... in a way that will completely kill competition.
 
+Chad Marshall of course I've heard of Googles failed products I'm not an imbecile or blind to the truth how is your research of Apple's failed products or do you feel as though Apple never failed it just simply knew first try that everyone loved hmm say the Macintosh Portable
 
I think it's silly to believe that Apple somehow "invented" the whole mobile market, and that others are somehow "stealing" their ideas.

I will give Apple credit for being first to market when technologies became available, which finally allowed manufacturers to combine a cell phone (pre-existing) with a PDA (pre-existing as Palm), using a touch-screen (pre-existing idea from old episodes of Star Trek, and others), and add email & web (both pre-existing) in a hand-held device (pre-existing on many levels).

As far as copying "how" such devices are used?... Icons, for example (something pre-existing at Xerox when Apple used them as inspiration for the Mac).... The rest (it strikes me) was obvious, once the materials and technologies became available for people to actually start building today's modern mobile devices.

I know the Apple fans will slam me on this one, but sometimes we all get so passionate about something, we can no longer see the forest for the trees. 
 
Haters gonna hate no matter what you say about this subject
 
+Shawn Latham - I feel you didn't address my point at all... that being the difference between copying individual features and copying an entire original game plan (with literally dozens of unique/original-to-phone features integrated in a very specific way to completely leap frog the industry).  Google didn't just copy a few features... it shamelessly duplicated everything that made iPhone a revolutionary product.  I don't know what business you are in, but if our competition did that to us... I would be extremely frustrated.
 
Do I think suing android manufacturers is a good idea? No. It's a horrible idea. Do I think Steve jobs was hypocritical for going thermonuclear war on android, considering he's taken ideas from others in the past? Yes. I could understand his frustration though.

This is what happens though when you have technology-crippling patent system. That should really change (but it won't).
 
+Rick Kettner Android is that vehicle to push those services. And from what I've seen, it is not as if Google doesn't want their services on other platforms, it is the hoops they have to jump thru to have [at least] an equal footing on other platforms.

Google releases Chrome for iOS. It is said that it is slow and features are missing. Is that Google's fault? From the mouths of people who seem to know, it is the fault of Apple who cripple competitive [or better] apps within iOS. IMO, Google would love for every iOS user to have the same functionality for their apps that Android user have. But Apple doesn't seem to want to.

Why all the free apps on Android? Most of the time, someone thought of a better way, wrote the app and released it. A better app [better than an iOS core app] is hindered or not allowed at all on iOS.
 
+Shawn Latham I like google as a whole and yes, i use their products. I never said I didn't like google. Android is a good os too, I just don't admire how similar it is to ios and the lack of fresh and innovative ideas they conveyed to the public when they released it. 
 
Ironic thing is, while the whole Apple v Android litigation fiasco escalates, nobody talks about how Microsoft may be one of the companies that's been screwed the worst!

What! (you're wondering)?

I knew a "MS Fanboy" who had one of the (then) new-fangled  "Windows CE" handhelds long before there was an iPhone.

You tapped icons on the screen (It used a stylus. The OEM parts manufacturers hadn't perfected touch panels yet), you could do email, surf the web... It looked & functioned pretty much like the  iPhone that came-along later, too.

In fact, take what MS did back then, and shrink it down (the thing was rather bulky, if memory serves), add the touchscreen technology & tiny phone chips that became available later, and you could argue that Steve Jobs "stole" the whole concept from Bill Gates.

That's kind of strange to think about, actually.
 
+Marvin Cox - That's just the problem.  Because they are competing with Apple phone-to-phone... they can't focus on integrating their services.  Facebook/Twitter/etc. is being integrated... but obviously G+ won't be.  Maps is being moved out, and YouTube may lose it's spot in terms of being included in the OS by default.

All this, because Google is trying to do two competing things.  Create services (Gmail, Search, Maps, G+) that are available everywhere... and also trying to compete directly with the platforms that they want to have exposure on.  Now companies like Apple are banding together with Googles competition (Facebook, Twitter, Yelp, etc.) to beat them.  Even Amazon must be starting to hate Google... they make their own Google Play store, their own book library, and then make a Nexus 7 to kill the Kindle Fire.  I don't know why Google is still considered "open"... they are pushing away all their partners and are trying to do everything themselves.
 
+Rick Kettner But the apps are there from Google... they are functionally limited [by Google just so they can have a presence] or they are crippled by iOS. If the playing field were level, why wouldn't Apple allow an app-dev to make an app that directly competes with an iOS core app? IMO, that would force Apple to be on their toes and make sure their core experience is the best it could be. But, to deny access to the AppStore because the app is too similiar...? To cripple functionality because the app may just be better [than core apps]? That's competition?
 
+Chad Marshall , all important data in Android devices is stored in the cloud (before apple release icloud): contacts, email, calendar,...and what you say is very strange because most of my friends use Android and we don't have such a problem. Seriously man, argue something clever...
 
+Marvin Cox - It should be noted that Google+ probably would have been integrated with iOS before FB/Twitter if Android didn't exist.  Eric Schmidt was on Apples board and the two companies were basically in bed before Android came out.  That's why Maps, YouTube, and Google Search were so integrated in iOS initially.  Then, Eric resigns and they go and make Android... wonder why Apple doesn't like them now.
 
+Ángel Linares García argue something clever? Umm I didn't realize arguments had to be clever. I'm going by my experience. I know 8 people who have switched to iPhone and are happy with it. Some of them had to go through several droid replacements before they were fed up with it. 
 
+Marvin Cox - Because now Apple hates Google.  I'm not saying it's fair, but Google made their bed and now they must sleep in it.  They had super tight OS integration with Maps, YouTube, Search, and more... and now they are losing all of that based entirely on Eric's decision to leave Apple's board and create/promote Android as an iOS alternative.  So now Apple should try to make it easier for them to pursue both strategies at the same time?  Why would they ever do that?
 
+Marvin Cox - And... as I suggested above - Google is doing this same thing to their other "partners" as well.  They are slowly pushing everyone away.  Even their hardware OEMs must be pissed after seeing the Nexus 7.  How can they compete with a product that Google is selling at break-even (arguably... at a loss as far as the hardware goes)?  Google is all over the map on strategy and is essentially competing with everyone (Facebook, Twitter, Amazon, Microsoft, Apple, Yahoo, Bing, Yelp, Flipboard, Groupon, Dropbox, Hardware OEMs, etc.).
 
+Marvin Cox - Can you name one Google partner that shouldn't feel directly threatened by what Google is either doing or is likely to do in the near future?  They are in the business of copying functionality and delivering it directly to the market - pushing partners aside.  Sure, Apple has done the same... but nobody is claiming they are "open".  Google somehow has the world convinced that they are this open platform that wants to work with everyone... yet they try to directly compete in every tech service space (and are starting to indirectly get involved in hardware).
 
The Nexus 7 has other OEM pissed? It's the vehicle to usher in 4.1... but the Acer A110 has better connectivity... People want SDCard slots, HDMI, and USB connectivity. Asus is the only company that is really in the "loss" with the Nexus 7.

Choice is bad?

I don't get the gist of your question +Rick Kettner . What is Google doing or going to do that has partners threatened?
 
And, #Google must be doing something right... their services are on 50+% of all mobile handsets... couple that with the desktop users (which obviously overlap)...

I'll give you over half of my dollar or 20% of my dollar... Where is more at? Does the fact that Apple is the "most profitable company" have any relevance if their market share is less than 25% of all mobile? They just sell expensive shit! (and Android users get less expensive shit lol)
 
Okay, okay... I'm gonna borrow my wife's iPhone and do a search... Apple search, Yahoo, or Bing?
(Apple search? lol)
 
Oh, as far as open... the platform is open. Certain elements within the platform (like Maps) are not open. That is why Amazon could use Android for their base OS for the Kindle... albeit devoid of any Google apps. Good for them.

"Android" is open source... Google apps [mostly] are not.
 
It all really boils down to this: Does Apple have the right to sue? Yes. Should the patent(s) ever have been granted? No. Is the outrage against Apple warranted? In my opinion, yes. Is it causing me any real concern or harm? No.

End of my input.
 
Thank God most of the world does not have such a ludicrous patent system as the US does.  The lawyers are the only winners in these battles, and the ultimate outcome will be innovation being led outside the US.  The US will get left behind.

Apple will land a few punches along the way, but so will Google/Samsung/HTC etc., ultimately resulting in everyone getting hurt, and the companies/government finally recognising that the patent  system has to change.  I just hope it's not too late by then.
 
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Hey guys, great comments :-) I'd love to answer and join in, but I'm moving for a friend, so I'm not too effective on a phone. But I'd like to say it's also about where Google are and where they are going. And the same for Apple. And regardless of who made what first and what patents are in use, apple is suing left and right for something I think is somewhat questionable.
 
According to the 3 Stirkes your out philosophy, Apple might be out sooner or later if it doesn't create a new market
 
Id argue they have lost position as market leader last year, given sales figures show they are not the top mobile platform and not the top selling smart phone maker.
 
+Marvin Cox - Of course the Nexus 7 will upset other OEMs.  First off, it makes the Kindle Fire completely obsolete (and directly competes with any potential Fire 2), it undercuts other hardware makers (they cannot afford to sell a device at break even), and it forces them to lower their own prices assuming they will even attempt to compete.  Meanwhile... Apple is making $160-200 on every iPad sold.  References:
http://gizmodo.com/5922043/you-cant-beat-the-ipad-just-by-losing-money
 
+Rick Kettner Dude, obviously it will upset Amazon! Amazon's whole reason for putting out the Kindle Fire was to have a vehicle (running Android) DEVOID of any Google Apps so that the consumer would have access to ALL of AMAZON'S ecosystem! All other Android handset and tablet manufacturers competed against each other, but not directly against Google, as they all used Android for their products. Amazon basically lit the first match by becoming a direct competitor against Google! The Nexus 7 has a decent processor and is stripped (mostly) of anything else Android users have grown used to: HDMI output directly or via MHL, SDcard expansion; on some tablets, micro and full sized USB ports and USB host. You really think Samsung, Acer, and Asus themselves are sweating the Nexus 7? Also, just by the title of the link you posted (which I didn't read), there is no way the Nexus 7 could ever compete with the iPad... BUT, the Nexus 7 WILL DEFINITELY compete with the Kindle Fire!

If this Nexus 7 would have been a 10.1" tablet for the exact same price WITH all of the goodies that appear on other manufacturer's tablets, then, yes, I'd say that the OEM would be sweating bullets. But it isn't, thus, IMO, no one but Amazon is sweating.
 
The best thing about this, the consumer wins.
 
+Chad Marshall Could you please source your claims regarding Android copying iOS down to the tiniest details? Or are you just full of hot air like most Apple fanboys? As far as I know, and as far as the records show, Android predates iOS. Not only that, but in the modern time, iOS has taken a lot of idea's Android had first. You going to bash iOS for that?
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