Dear Opinionated meddlers in physics and math,
Initially posted this to a philosophy community.
But would given its a proposition also begging
the question if for the sake of scientific principles
an experiment much like the Michelson-Morley
experiment can be ignored. Even if the physics
interest is for the LHC it is also not fumbling in
the blind, given recent articles like the following:
https://arxiv.org/abs/1807.05155
Cheers!
Initially posted this to a philosophy community.
But would given its a proposition also begging
the question if for the sake of scientific principles
an experiment much like the Michelson-Morley
experiment can be ignored. Even if the physics
interest is for the LHC it is also not fumbling in
the blind, given recent articles like the following:
https://arxiv.org/abs/1807.05155
Cheers!
I'm trying to get CERN to use the LHC for a modern particle physics equivalent of the Michelson-Morley experiment. Sent it to the Council Secretariat earlier this week, haven't heard anything yet so may need the publication route.
And I've been brewing on some ideas concerning black holes for a few years.
Still, it would be great to do something like this at the LHC and some of the reasons are explained below.
I'm going to write this proposal in a more scholarly form for publication.
As it should be of great interest for the philosophy of physics. Not to mention the relevance for philosophy of science and mathematics.
That an agenda with promise of a zero result is a good test
for the integrity and methods -- any unknowns that may be hidden by
bias given the nature of building a system that primarily studies noise. Systematic errors is one thing --- systematic human errors another.
And so is the complications from adhering to working theories with
so much unknown.
There is a myriad of theories that deal with space as a variable.
Any form of direction or a experimental zero-proof would settle
many arguments revolving fundamental premises of particle physics.
By actively saying one should do PbPb for one year, and specifically:
That our orientation around the sun related to milky way is the focus of study to look for any space-time effect on any particle. This is not a narrow search in any one area of interest to physics. PbPb as the best option for the amount of tracks and chances for increasing accuracy with more particles of the same type per event. It should be of interest to look at other physics opportunities that would
fit within these run parameters.
It would requires careful consideration of velocity and distance in an angular trajectory for all types of particles over a long period of time.
The influence could be very faint and the more accurately measured to zero, the better an argument theoreticians have for venues in mathematical physics.
In addition to being a good calibration test for the experiments involved.
Of utmost interest is if force carriers may be influenced, and if it will be an expected zero result or if folds or pockets in space discussed for the very small also applies to the very large as is expected.
I've worked at CERN full time in the past, and part time until Desc. 2016.
Sort of dropped out of cognitive sciences with a desire for a philosophy specialisation in 2010.
And I've been brewing on some ideas concerning black holes for a few years.
Still, it would be great to do something like this at the LHC and some of the reasons are explained below.
I'm going to write this proposal in a more scholarly form for publication.
As it should be of great interest for the philosophy of physics. Not to mention the relevance for philosophy of science and mathematics.
That an agenda with promise of a zero result is a good test
for the integrity and methods -- any unknowns that may be hidden by
bias given the nature of building a system that primarily studies noise. Systematic errors is one thing --- systematic human errors another.
And so is the complications from adhering to working theories with
so much unknown.
There is a myriad of theories that deal with space as a variable.
Any form of direction or a experimental zero-proof would settle
many arguments revolving fundamental premises of particle physics.
By actively saying one should do PbPb for one year, and specifically:
That our orientation around the sun related to milky way is the focus of study to look for any space-time effect on any particle. This is not a narrow search in any one area of interest to physics. PbPb as the best option for the amount of tracks and chances for increasing accuracy with more particles of the same type per event. It should be of interest to look at other physics opportunities that would
fit within these run parameters.
It would requires careful consideration of velocity and distance in an angular trajectory for all types of particles over a long period of time.
The influence could be very faint and the more accurately measured to zero, the better an argument theoreticians have for venues in mathematical physics.
In addition to being a good calibration test for the experiments involved.
Of utmost interest is if force carriers may be influenced, and if it will be an expected zero result or if folds or pockets in space discussed for the very small also applies to the very large as is expected.
I've worked at CERN full time in the past, and part time until Desc. 2016.
Sort of dropped out of cognitive sciences with a desire for a philosophy specialisation in 2010.
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Albert “bort” RippleOwnermy guess is, since spacetime warps with respect to [the placement of ]energy, there would have to be at least some sort of effect as a result of the angular momentum of large masses, but it may be so subtle as to be beyond our current levels of detection. but hey, we can measure gravity waves now, so such subtlety is becoming more and more approachable these days.3d
+Albert Ripple That is my thinking as well.
But what gets me excited is using the worlds most sensitive machine and detectors to leverage the mass of the sun to see if there are any effects from black holes and dark matter out there.
Edit: proton physics wouldn't be the most sensitive for this given few tracks per event.3d- Albert “bort” RippleOwner+Balder Oddson that reminds me of how we proved gravitational lensing and thus relativity, that we observed the sky around the sun during a solar eclipse; that once again the sun's mass may prove useful in furthering our understanding of spacetime.3d
- +Albert Ripple indeed, mind you however. The historical meaning of lensing is when a boat pushes towards a side at speed, allowing "lensing of water" from the boat by taking advantage of the vacuum. Today I think this is sometimes referred to as "banking", unrelated to water.
So can the sun "bank" dark matter?3d - well, gravitational lensing refers to masses warping spacetime such that light travels as tho through an optical lens, producing multiple images of the same distant object (or one highly distorted image), appearing around some nearer massive object. we don't know what dark matter is, but unless our physics is wrong, it would be affected by the curvature of spacetime, and thus able to be lensed as much as any other particle/wave. your thing about the boat sounds similar to the optical phenomenon, in which the motion of an object is affected by the shape of its medium, so if the boat thing predates optics, it's probably the origin of the term. to be clear tho: in the analogy, the water is the glass or spacetime, while the boat is the light or dark matter, so "lensing" can refer either to the medium-bending used to alter motion, as in "lensing of water", or to the altered motion resulting from bent media, as in "gravitational lensing".3d
- +Albert Ripple Exactly, if it acts as wet sock rotating as a fold in space-time from the centre of a black hole like the milky way, it wont be "lensed" in that way, when "lensing a sailboat" it means turning to let the boat go the other angle. So I figured using "bank" as a term, as its both similar to the Norse use of lensing to get rid of water -- dark water in this case -- putting money to the side as in a bank.... yeah, so can the sun "bank" dark matter, whether it's "bank" or lensing as in focus -- a full year would tell.
A bit confusing mix between maritime use and physics use of terms.
Leveraging the sun and LHC to check for cosmological effects, well.... yum!3d
