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Fellow Free software contributors:

If there was a "Free Software Developers Guild" would you be interested in joining, and if so what would you want it to do for you and for Free software?

(This grows out of a tongue-in-cheek..-mostly comment I made earlier today that got more positive response than I expected ...)
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I'm no developer, but if you want to, I can join the "Open Source Tea Party". And I won't bring tea only, but also cookies :)
would it need to be the "free software developers guild"? what about the "free software guild"?
+Ernesto Manríquez Cookies? You are totally in

+D.J. Walker-Morgan Yes. (As if that would be hard to do.)

+Cuan knaggs Because in German it translates to "Die Freie Entwinkler Zunft" which acronyms to "F.E.Z" which becomes a great excuse to wear funny hats. This, as we all know, is the core principle of any such society.
If there are funny hats, tea and cookies I'm joining the party!
+Aaron Seigo, thanks now i have to go look at hat names and see if i can find other acronyms
Yes i would be interested. But i already told you that :P It would be a great idea in my opinion. It could provide a exchange of experience and talent , A forum for developers to speak their mind and vent of some frustrations , Improve inter project Collaberation and of course wear funny hats.
There are enough things wanting me to be a member.  Most of them are more interested in getting my dues money than doing anything for me - which is why I'm not a member.

I'll remain cynical about the whole idea until I see what it actually does.  I can see free software guilds doing thing's I'd actively oppose, but I can also see them doing good things.
+Alan Dacey Of course, and she'd be holding it all together.

+Henry Miller That's why I asked what you would want to see from it. I hate dues money  grubbing too .. so assuming there was no money involved, what would you want it to do for you? (As opposed to not do)
+Matthew Williams Can you expand on that? (It's not clear to me which other projects this might dependent on, and what you mean by independent)
That instead of being a part of KDE project or Canonical and so on that it would be an independent project/organization with perhaps the people heading it being from different projects/organizations with a limit of one person from project/organization.

Sorry if this isn't making a lot of sense I'm on my phone so typing up responses isn't the easiest
Yeah, I'd be up for that.    Bob knows, we need something.....
so we have interest, now what's it going to do. the ability to be able to fight things like secure boot would be nice
i know things like secure boot might be out of reach for a while but i thought i'd start the ball rolling
I don't develop anything but I'm still interested. I'm a FOSS fan and would be interested in helping out as I can.

I'd like to see it find ways to enhance cooperation between projects, find ways to encourage different groups to find standard protocols and such. That would be great. If we're all working together we can build better software than if we're all standing at odds with each other.

Freedom and choice is fantastic, so maybe finding ways to build tools which could help diverse projects.

(tl;dr good idea, tired guy waxes poetic)
+Mark van Tinteren it is but looking at the Debian project there is a chance because of the heavy Canonical influence on the technical board that only mir can when between mir and Wayland. I only bring this example up to highlight that having to many people from a single project at the head of a organization can bring into question objectivity
I'd want it to promote, support and protect free software.  That's why I send monthly dues to the FSF.  You can too.

Did you know that there are only about 3,000 FSF members?  With all the people making a living with GNU, you would think more people might pony up at least $10/month.  How about it Google employees?  How about all you fancy folks making a living at a GNU/Linux distribution?  Go get it!
I'm all for anything that doesn't involve Canonical at this moment, so I'd support it
I am part of a free employee council at my work, we strive to get employees voice heard, make their opinions count and hopefully improve their life. We are a free service.

We do "pulse" surveys every 6 months and proactively seek feedback from members.

We cultivate this and provide positive and constructive feedback to the company which has resulted in many changes that have helped both the employees and the company.

I feel cultivating useful and based feedback on free software, user improvements, community perceptions, how to improve the ecosystem as a whole could be useful.

Organisations and distros could engage the community for feedback to improve or better themselves.


What a crazy idea...... which means it'll probably be brilliant. :-)
I love the idea, +Aaron Seigo Without founding principles though, it's meaningless.  A guild that insists on "I will not work without OSI-approved license" works for me.    I would pay dues.   I have been disappointed that OSI +Simon Phipps has not offered such an initiative.
Some of the comments here indicate that people need to read up on what a guild is, I think. At least a guild in the traditional sense, and if something else is meant here it should be made clear what is meant.
I'm thinking about comments mentioning specific projects/employers, comments about limiting the number of members, and comments about non-developers being members (I can't be a member of a butcher's guild even if I love a good steak).
+Alison Chaiken Step by step. We just made a breakthrough; OSI has hired a general manager, so we are now free to make just that idea (which is central to my hopes for OSI) a reality. I'll be in the Bay Area from Wednesday; want to meet?
AFAIU a guild (as opposed to a union) usually exists to provide a training programme (apprentice, journeyman, master, etc.). Interesting idea. If enough people got involved could it even become a recognised qualification?
+Aaron Seigo- As a former labor organizer, I can tell you that a guild has the potential to be quite beneficial.  It can bring developers together to collaborate, share ideas, and assist one another when they might not communicate otherwise.  A guild also has power by numbers - though, this is already covered by the FSF.  Please note that I'm not a professional developer, but I do have a vested interest.  If there is a large collaborative effort put behind this idea, great things could happen.  edit - I can grammar!
+Aaron Seigo - good idea. I'd personally like to collaborate on how to improve free software in terms of ui interactivity and friendliness (I kinda see this lacking in open source and free software), and basically have a good time with other members and talk freely and share inputs.
Is there a way to say yes without having to post a comment? I believe so many people are interested, it would be difficult to track.
Can we also wear pointy hats and shoes and carry magic staff with tux carved onto them that can execute system updates over SSH and print huge scrolls with SSL certificate keys in case NSA asks for it?? Can we?? :P
Don't  take this the wrong way guys. just lightening up the mood :)
I'm also quite interrested in ths.
+Diggory Hardy Honestly, if this were to happen, I'd only see it have a purpose if it provided social and career (even if outside of paid work) support, including things like mentorship and such.

+Simon Phipps Is OSI seriously considering something like this? If so, could we discuss, perhaps privately, at some point as I tink there is a lot of potential for such thing, if done well, and I'm quite interested in helping that occur.
Wear a Fez, fezzes are cool now! What a guild could be in the old fashioned sense, is a place of loyalty and support between the members. It could include a certain (very loose) code of conduct, including some kind of moral urge to address each other if things don't follow these guidelines. It could  be centered around a group of people willing to work in a certain way, under certain conditions, but under wildly varying projects.
Wearing ridiculous hats definitely would contribute to a sense of belonging there :)
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