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BREAKING: Supreme Court upholds Obama law's requirement that most Americans have health insurance.
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This is terrible...............welcome to Obombers world!
 
CNN is reporting the Individual Mandate has been struck down hmmm
 
From SCOTUSblog: The bottom line: the entire ACA is upheld, with the exception that the federal government's power to terminate states' Medicaid funds is narrowly read.
 
The decision is very long and complicated, it could take a couple hours to filter out the highlights.
 
court lets insurance requirements stand thats what i see
 
It is a sad sad day in American History when Socialism is upheld by the US Supreme Court. Obamacare has set a precedent with the courts, now the rest of the constitution is in serious jeopardy.
 
+Mike Moore They must have posted some prewritten thing. Chief Roberts finds it Constitutional and that Congress can tax us, which was what it was in the first place, but Congress was afraid to say it.
 
+mike moore yeah, happy that they have to buy insurance so you don't have to pay for their ER visits.
 
Finally hope for those with pre-existing conditions. 
 
My guess is all the disappointed 'naysayers' have insurance...
 
+Mike Moore Could you link to the hand out part?  I thought the court was deciding if it was constitutional for the gov't to require that citizens purchase insurance?
 
Access to healthcare shouldn't be denied to anyone
 
I refuse to comply when I am told I HAVE to buy health insurance. Everyone should refuse to comply with this. I will not pay some Democrat's fine either. +Calvin Young  but likewise it shouldn't be required for me to buy healthcare from private companies, that are pimped out by the government. 
 
You only have to have car insurance if you drive a car on public roads with other people, so you should only have to have medical insurance if you have a body and live on Earth with other people.  That's the difference I think.
 
Health costs A LOT more!! +LeRoy Gomez . Cars are not required. If you don't have one, you don't need insurance. But everyone has a body, so....
 
And it costs even more if you don't have insurance and you get hurt or sick.
 
I hate Romney but I guess now I am voting for him. This should tell you what I think about Obama in November.
 
many of those people that chose not to have health insurance were getting health care regardless and guess who was picking up the bill?  Responsible people that pay their bills and have insurance, that's who.  This gets more people paying their own way which is why The Heritage Foundation came up with it in the first place.
 
This is a bill paid for by Insurance companies. Nobody with a brain, and a 1/4 teaspoon of common sense  can think the Government telling you what to buy, and what to do is a good thing. 
 
+Mike Moore while I understand your analogy I disagree. I work in the healthcare industry and I've seen what happen to people who don't have adequate access. I'm not happy supporting dead beats but I am happy to support the hard working person that makes minimal wage but can't afford healthcare cause they have to feed themselves and their family.

Anyway the battle isn't over. The November election will ultimately decide this issue. 
 
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+Mike Moore I'm not following your argument.  Everyone is already entitled to healthcare.  Those without insurance cannot be denied care at an ER, for instance.  Would you suggest we start asking for proof of insurance before starting CPR?
 
Under this program, it sounds like it might just happen that way. Without buying into the "system" you get no help. That is your penalty. +Stephen Holst 
 
EVERY congressman and Senator that voted for this HUGE tax Hike should now be made to defend that vote. Accept responsibility for the tax hike they imposed on every household in America, regardless of income. 
 
+Paul Plate and where does it say that?  I haven't heard anywhere that it says you will have to carry an insurance card with you.
 
+Mike Moore apparently others like +Paul Plate don't think that it's a stupid question.  I didn't insult your comments but thank you for insulting mine.
 
+Mike Moore Like what?  I haven't heard anything from the GOP since Heritage came up with the individual mandate.
 
Nice point +Mike Moore except that people in the medical field actually 'enjoy' helping those in need. If you've ever worked in a hospital, you'd know what it's like to spend hours arguing with an insurance company to get coverage for a patient who got the shaft. Doctors and Nurses will resort to shifting debts around and even resort to other sometimes illegal methods to protect our patients. The fact that you call us slaves is ridiculous, but what's even more ridiculous is that we have to argue for a person's right to live... If you're going to make an argument against healthcare reform, fine, don't make it on my behalf.
 
+Darrell Schrage isn't the fact the insured citizens cover  the healthcare costs for themselves and the uninsured already a form of socialism?
 
+Mike Moore I'll admit I don't know all the details but is there a tax for those who choose to keep their insurance or is the tax only for those who elect not to buy insurance at all?
 
+Mike Moore Is it the individual that has to pay the fine or the employer?  What if you're unemployed?  And there are large companies like Walmart that keep their employees on strict schedules as to avoid having to provide insurance too.  I'm not saying it's not going to be hard for the small businesses and I'm not saying it's perfect but it seems like a better alternative than a bunch of people running around with no insurance at all and not being able to go to a doctor for a simple annual physical.
 
+Travis Cobb No I am not. My job shipped my job overseas effectively making 300 people unemployed, including me. I have worked for small companies that do not provide insurance , +Mike Moore  so yeah it sure would be nice to pay a fine for not being able to afford buying health care. Especially one that was created to punish the working poor.  
 
+Stephen Holst It is a tax that is levied against you if you chose NOT to get private insurance. If you have insurance already nothing about this bill changes that, or charges you more because of it.

This is a measure to remove the "deadbeats" who have no health insurance, rack up bills at ER/Dr's and then never pay which leaves the paying people to pick up the bill in the form of increased costs.
 
+Paul Plate That's unfortunate, and will be doubly so if you get hurt or sick don't you think?  

If you truly cannot afford the insurance there are provisions to see that you are covered and cared for anyway.
 
+Sabeena LoBello I did not. Lets hope that  employers decide  continue to pay for everyone's $15000 insurance premium instead of paying the $2000 penalty and dumping them into medicaid! 
 
+Mike Moore You already do pay for everyone with your own money. If you buy insurance currently you are subsidizing the costs of the uninsured who use ER/Dr's when ill. When those people dont pay their ER/Dr's bills the cost ends up being eaten by those places and then spread across all other paying customers to make up the difference. This causes increased costs to the insurance companies which then pass the increased costs down to you.
 
+Mike Moore well I didn't want to go to war but the government forced me to pay my taxes and fund our army.  I'd say going to war is more threatening to freedom than health insurance.  My point is that there a lot of taxes that we have to pay even if we don't want to.  Usually they are for the good of country though.
 
Wait....meaning if you get cancer you're just going to pay out of pocket or not go to the doctor? Or do you mean those that don't want to pay for it UNTIL they need it?
 
+Mike Moore The government forces you to do lots of things that many would not want to do. Its not there to do what any individual feels is best, but what it feels is best for all individuals as a whole with some(lol) consideration given to the individuals as to what they feel is best.

Fact is currently you pay MORE for insurance because of free-loaders who do not want to pay theirs for health care they receive. This bill will prevent them from being free-loaders and forcing honest people to pay for someone elses health care costs.

It is no different than car insurance which stipulates that if you own a car you must have insurance or else face fines. You have to have car insurance so that other people who have insurance dont have to amortize the costs of the uninsured when an accident occurs. Just the same as now you have to have health insurance so that other people who do have health insurance dont have to amortize the costs of the uninsured when they need medical care, especially emergency medical care.
 
+Mike Moore so the constitution say 'we shall have a navy, airforce, army and marines' Or can we get rid of one or more of them?
 
hahah Mike Moore you're a funny guy. Not the type to have a conversation with but one that likes to argue. I don't like to argue. I hope you have a good day, and a great life. 
 
It's not about working out a payment plan for hospital or doctor bills when you are uninsured - it's about the tests and treatments that you can't afford w'o healthcare.  
 
+Mike Moore "those that don't need it. "

Thats fine until they do need it. They can not be denied care at an ER even if they lack insurance and considering the average costs of just being admitted to an ER let alone receiving care its no surprise that statistically speaking the majority of ER bills that belong to the uninsured go unpaid. At which point the hospital will start raising prices for services to cover the debts they absorbed, therefore the insurance companies have to pay more, which means they start charging more for their insurance.

So as long as "those that dont need it" are willing to sign a legal document indicating they will NEVER receive medical care without paying up front for the services your idea will work.
 
Bottom line: not everyone chooses to be without healthcare and w/o reform too many will remain uninsured. 
 
+Mike Moore I dont want to have my taxes go towards subsidies for Big Oil and Big Pharma, but the IRS could give two shits when they come after me if I choose not to give them all I owe in taxes.

I can understand your viewpoint, but in the long run this will benefit everyone with lower prices and allow those who couldnt afford insurance but wanted it a chance to be covered. I would consider the benefits from this worth the cost in "individual liberty" that you see this imposing.
 
+Robert Freitas where in this legislation is there anything to keep insurance premiums down? There is language to prevent Insurance companies from increasing premiums on the elderly but no one else. Guess where insurance companies will increase premiums, everyone else! People who previously could not afford insurance will now face tax penalties if they don't get it. The. Penalties assessed could be as much as 1% of annual household income. And since it is a penalty, after you pay it you still must fork over more $ for the insurance you could not afford to begin with. 
 
+Darrell Schrage 80% of premiums must be spent on health care, only 20% for overhead, otherwise they insurance company owes you a refund.

More young people buying into the risk pool that weren't there before means insurance premiums should go down.
 
+Donna Houston the answer would be for the individual states to increase competition for insurance companies. For limitations on frivolous law suits that drive up malpractice insurance, and compel doctors to run a countless battery of tests just to cover their ass. All of this raises costs of healthcare and all of this is passed on to each and everyone of us through higher premiums. 
 
+Travis Cobb 80% of premiums must be spent on healthcare? So if my insurance Premium is $100 per month and I do not need healthcare for a whole year, I would get $960 back at the end of the year? Do you honestly think it is going to happen like that or is it more likely that the insurance company will be allowed to hold on to that money in a "special fund" only to be used for your healthcare? 
 
+Darrell Schrage How exactly do we make the individual states increase competition for insurance companies?  I get how we could attach limits to law suits, and agree that without the specter of big buck malpractice judgments docs might not order so many unnecessary tests, (but see how many necessary tests your doctor foregoes when you don't have insurance!) but how do you force competition on a state by state basis?  What does that even mean?
 
+Mike Moore That just means the companies will move to the states with the least amount of regulations and provide the least amount of coverage possible on their "low rate" plan. Given past history as an example they will continue to have any reasonable/usable plans with high premiums that will likely continue to go up as they have so far. I fail to see how that is a good thing or helps the situation at hand at all. Just looks like a way for insurance companies to bring in more money without having to provide any decent amount of coverage(gotta love those moments where you think the medical emergency will be fine because you have insurance only to find out it doesnt cover your emergency).
 
+Darrell Schrage I think you misunderstand the purpose behind the 80% requirement. It means of all the money the insurance companies take in from premium payments from customers they must spend 80% of it on healthcare. It isnt judged on individual use of ones healthcare insurance, its judged on the total healthcare operating costs of the company for the year compared to their total income via premiums.

It basically removes your fear of increased costs from your insurance company, because unless they are legitimately facing increased costs due from the medical service provider side of things their increased premium costs will be returned to the customer each year.

For example if you had 100 people in an insurance pool and the company was charging each person 100/mo(10k/mo coming in total) and their operational costs for healthcare were 8k/mo... if the company decided to raise premiums to 120/mo they would have to have seen their healthcare costs increase as well(to 9.6k/mo), if they dont then the extra money they charge will have to be returned to the customer at the end of the year in the form of a rebate.
 
+Mike Moore you actually believe that insurance companies will care about creating and maintaining a competitive edge by offering fair and equal coverage to everyone - without some government mandates?   
 
+Mike Moore and the insurance industry's bottom line is their bottom line!  I'd rather take my chances with someone fighting for my rights - not my pocketbook.  
 
+Mike Moore   Tell you what - if the ideas of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" are considered my inalienable rights than the means to safeguard them are my rights, too.  That includes adequate healthcare.
 
+Mike Moore What are back in the wild west? I like to think we've moved beyond an 'every man for himself' philosophy.  Caring for the least among us is surely for the greater good.
 
The biggest issue I see is all these companies that provide health coverage for their worker will now see its far cheaper to stop all coverage and pay the fine. How many thousands of people are now going to lose their insurance and be forced into the pool due to this law being up held.
 
Also how many people are going to be able to afford paying for this insurance out of their pockets when this law goes into effect. With the law going into active status a family of 4 at the least will pay from $330-$1076 per month when people can hardly pay the bills with rising cost where is this m oney going to come from.
 
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+Mike Moore Healthcare is not a right but Emergency room care is - Emergency Treatment and Labor Act, 1986.  Who pays for it?  
 
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+Travis Cobb but I should not be required to purchase anything. If I had money, I would refuse to comply out of principle. This needs to be repealed.
 
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+Paul Plate People like you have figured out that the Obamacare monstrosity is a disaster.  Everybody else won't figure that out until it's too late.
 
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